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Not a shot! Anti-vax movement prompts Brooklynites to withhold inoculations from their pets, vets say

Do not vaccinate: A growing, national anti-vaccination movement that claims the inoculations can cause autism in children has led Brooklyn pet-owners to withhold vaccines against deadly and spreadable diseases from their critters, according to local veterinarians.
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Some Brooklynites are refusing to vaccinate their pets against virulent and potentially deadly illnesses — some of which could spread to humans — thanks to a growing movement against the life-saving inoculations, according to borough veterinarians.

“We do see a higher number of clients who don’t want to vaccinate their animals,” said Dr. Amy Ford of the Veterinarian Wellness Center of Boerum Hill. “This may be stemming from the anti-vaccine movement, which people are applying to their pets.”

The increased skepticism towards inoculating pets is likely the result of a national movement that claims vaccines can cause autism in children, according to the doctor, who said she has seen an increase in clients unwilling to have their dogs vaccinated in recent years — despite experts’ findings that show no link between the inoculations and the developmental disorder.

Core vaccines for canines include distemper, hepatitis, and rabies, the only shot required to get a pet license in New York state, without which, owners can get fined.

A squirrel’s recent biting spree in Prospect Park sparked fears over the deadly illness last month, and all identified victims were told by the city to get the rabies vaccine although the animal was neither found nor diagnosed with it.

Hip youngsters who promote a more holistic lifestyle for their pets tend to be the most vocal anti-vaxxers, Ford said, but rarely have a particular reason for leaving Fido open to infection.

“It’s actually much more common in the hipster-y areas,” she said. “I really don’t know what the reasoning is, they just feel that injecting chemicals into their pet is going to cause problems.”

Not all residents of Kings County’s “hipster-y areas” refuse to inoculate their pets, however, according to Greenpoint dog owner Larissa Moon, spotted on Wednesday walking her pooch in Prospect Park.

“It’s a pretty good idea to vaccinate both your dogs and your kids,” she said, while wearing a leaf for a hat.

A Clinton Hill–based veterinarian said she has heard clients suggest the inoculations could give their pups autism, however, echoing the argument of those who oppose vaccinating kids. But even if pooches were susceptible to the condition, their owners probably wouldn’t notice, according to the doctor.

“I had a client concerned about an autistic child who didn’t want to vaccinate the dog for the same reason,” said Dr. Stephanie Liff of Clinton Hill’s Pure Paws Veterinary Care. “We’ve never diagnosed autism in a dog. I don’t think you could.”

And some anti-vaxxers are not content with just withholding shots from their pets, according to a Park Slope dog owner who has run into skeptics that have encouraged him to forgo inoculations.

“I’ve bumped into a couple people who told me ‘Don’t vaccinate your dog,’ ” said Adam Weller. “I’m like, ‘Okay, have a nice day!’ ”

But another former pup owner said that while she has vaccinated pets in the past, recent concerns over the injections’ side effects have moved her to doubt their necessity.

“I’ve heard over the past couple of years that there can be issues with [vaccinati­ons],” said Park Slope resident Jeannette D’Mico, whose two pooches died last year. “I will get another dog eventually, and will look into not doing that blindly.”

There was a recent uptick in canine vaccinations after an outbreak of the bacterial disease Leptospirosis, which infected several people in the Bronx earlier this year and is lethal to dogs, according to Liff, who said it’s not unusual for trends in human medicine to trickle down to animal health care.

“Most trends in veterinary medicine are extensions of human medicine, so I think the anti-vaccination movement extending into veterinary medicine is natural,” she said.

And while there are similarities in how diseases are treated in humans and animals, there are major differences in how they are contracted, including diet, that make pets even more susceptible to illnesses that vaccines prevent.

“It’s a little different,” Liff said. “My patients eat dirt. They eat poop.”

The vet encourages her patients to get their shots renewed every three years and said their benefits far outweigh their risk, an allergic reaction that occurs in less than .04 percent of pooches.

“I see more diseases that could be prevented by vaccination than I see reasons not to do it,” Liff said.

Reach reporter Colin Mixson at cmixson@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4505.
Updated 11:15 am, August 3, 2017: Additional reporting and context added.
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Reasonable discourse

Jenny from Brooklyn says:
You can vaccinate your pets, but then you are putting them at an increased risk for autism. It's almost animal abuse if you do. In fact, almost all animal diseases could be cured or treated with hot tumeric tea and coconut oil, so vaccines are really superfluous.
Aug. 1, 7:30 am
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
...being that stupid should physically hurt. It would reduce the damage they do.
Aug. 1, 7:57 am
Jenny from Boerum Hill says:
And if your pets have fleas make necklaces of marigolds for them.
Aug. 1, 11:25 am
Mustafa Khant from Atlantic Ave says:
Just watching a pet die of distemper will cure this idiocy.
Aug. 1, 1:55 pm
VLM from Park Slope says:
"If you put a vaccine inside a tv it would break "

Why the f*** are you morons putting vaccines inside your TV?
Aug. 1, 2:45 pm
Alex from Thankgodnotbrooklyn says:
Wild dogs (coyotes and wolves) live about 5-6 years so let that stand as proof that modern medicine and vaccinations do allow the family pet to enjoy a longer and healthy life.
Aug. 1, 2:59 pm
Seth Michael-McJared from Park Slope says:
Dog vaccines are racist and homophobic. Only Chimpy McHaliburton would vaccinate against dogs of color.
Aug. 1, 3:16 pm
K. from ArKady says:
Vaccine-associated Sarcoma in Cats
http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/cancer/c_ct_vaccine_sarcoma


Reports of a sarcoma (a cancerous mass arising from bone, cartilage, fat or muscle) developing at the site of vaccine injection sites in some animals have led to the suspicion of a link between the vaccine and a disposition in some animals to this type of reaction. Most types of injectable vaccine and non-vaccine products have rarely been associated with sarcoma development in cats, but cats may develop a site specific sarcoma following rabies vaccination or feline leukemia virus vaccination.

These tumors are characterized as highly invasive, rapidly growing, and malignant. Metastatic (spreading) rates are reported to be 22.5 to 24 percent. Often, the cancer spreads to the lungs, but it may spread to the regional lymph nodes and to the skin as well.

Vaccination with FeLV or rabies vaccine appears the be the underlying cause of this type of sarcoma. In fact, risk of sarcoma formation following a single injectable vaccination in the neck-shoulder region is 50 percent higher than for cats not receiving a vaccination. Moreover, the risk of developing the tumors may increase with the frequency and number of vaccinations given. In one study, cats given two vaccinations at the same site is 127 percent more likely to develop tumors than those not receiving vaccinations, and those with three or four vaccines at the same site were more than one and a half more likely (175 percent higher).
Aug. 1, 3:34 pm
Melissa L. from NJ says:
The particular FeLV vaccine responsible for vaccination site sarcoma has changed in the last ten years or so and the risk of sarcoma are significantly less than previously reported. Shots are also given on parts of the body that allow for, in the very few cases of vaccination site sarcoma, amputation and treatment. Having watched an entire litter of kittens slowly die from feline leukemia...I would vaccinate with the new vaccine. I'm conservative because my dogs are old and have health issues, so I titre to make sure the immunity has dipped before vaccinating for rabies and the combo vaccine for distemper. But vaccines save lives.
Aug. 1, 3:43 pm
Bryan from Cambridge says:
Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their pets against rabies or distemper just shouldn't be allowed to have animals. That's high-level stupid and irresponsible. Because if your pet gets rabies and attacks someone, "I'm an idiot" isn't going to hold up in court as a defense.
Aug. 1, 4:12 pm
Kay from Outside of Brooklyn says:
This is all about a failure of risk assessment. The diseases prevented by vaccination are far, far worse for the animals than any possible side effects the animals may experience. And, no, your dog or cat is not going to get autism from a vaccine. But without vaccination they are at risk for parvo, rabies, pertussis, lepto, and many other things that can harm or kill them. Treatment is far more expensive than vaccination.

A few things related to vaccine-associated sarcomas. First, talk to your veterinarian regarding your concerns. Do not get your medical or veterinary advice from the internet or people who are not veterinarians or doctors. If your veterinarian says anything you don't understand, ask them to clarify it.

Second, newer vaccines have lower rates of vaccine-related sarcomas. The trade-off is that you'll now have to get you pet vaccinated every year with some vaccines, but not necessarily others.

Third, if you're still worried about vaccine-related sarcoma, ask your vet to inject the animal in the tail. In the unlikely event a sarcoma forms, a tail is very easy to amputate with no effects on the animal's quality of life. Most vets would rather accommodate such as request than face the possibility that the animal won't be vaccinated.
Aug. 1, 4:13 pm
Olivia from North Carolina says:
If people would just apply common sense to their thinking animals and people would have much simpler lives. Many of the anti Vax group have never seen an epidemic of any disease in children where children are laid out on desks in their classroom waiting for parents to pick them up. They haven't seen a litter of puppies die. In each case it was preventable. I had measles. I saw the puppies die from distemper. I love animals and have children. Two are autistic. I do not believe vaccines are to blame.
Aug. 1, 4:15 pm
I. from NJ says:
Jenny from Brooklyn says:
You can vaccinate your pets, but then you are putting them at an increased risk for autism. It's almost animal abuse if you do. In fact, almost all animal diseases could be cured or treated with hot tumeric tea and coconut oil, so vaccines are really superfluous.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a troll right? No one can be this stupid.
Aug. 1, 4:18 pm
Your Mom from Brooklyn says:
Can I get some facts & figures here? Otherwise this comes across like fake news/outrage porn.
Aug. 1, 4:54 pm
SJW from YoAnusss says:
Oh great, this was posted on Gothamist.com. Here come all the white knights and SJW to tell everyone how they should react.
Aug. 1, 5:02 pm
Dirk from shadyshade2012@gmail.com says:
Hard to believe how unbelievably stupid some people can be.

VACCINATE YOUR DOGS! FFS. And your kids too.
Aug. 1, 5:49 pm
Karen Isaacson from Woodinville, WA says:
I have Asperger's Syndrome. If anybody worries about vaccines, point to me; I'm 63 and Robert Kennedy Jr. was born in October of the same year. He would have had the same shots I did back in the day, mercury and all, and I have autism and he doesn't. Autism being a spectrum disorder, you'd expect it would have had an effect on both of us. It didn't. Vaccines don't cause autism.
Aug. 1, 6:02 pm
Molly Norris from Washington DC says:
I think my dog may be autistic. He's seven years old and hasn't learned to speak even a single word. Is there somebody I can sue?
Aug. 1, 6:16 pm
Jane from N. Carolina says:
Autism in pets from vaccines is a bit crazy for me and don't think it has been proven. What has been PROVEN is that dogs should not need core vaccines yearly. Over vaccination is a big problem which can result in added health problems. I don't think dogs are getting fewer vaccines because of fear of autism (I don't doubt there are idiots that believe this). The reason I see people getting fewer vaccines for their dogs is because it has been proven that the vaccines last longer than a year and dog owners can have titer tests run on their dogs at many vet clinics. These test show if the dog has immunity to diseases they were vaccinated for. Some vaccines give immunity for several years. Lots of breeders and pet owners are very educated in this respect and choose better health for their dogs with fewer vaccines.
Aug. 1, 6:16 pm
Frank from Furter says:
Didn't turmeric injection cause a human death recently?
Aug. 1, 6:19 pm
Oshkosh says:
2 words: liberal idiots.
Aug. 1, 9:24 pm
Sparkle from Bay Ridge says:
Molly, my six cats too are silent. And they range in age from 3 to 11. I have long wondered whether there silence was a choice, lack of capacity, or something else. You have opened my eyes to the fact that the density of my cats, their ominous silence, may have been inflicted upon them by the big pharmaceutical companies and their vaccines.

I will rage against this. I will load my cats in my shopping cart and take them in front of my vets office. I will scream invective against my vet for supporting the patriarchy and the colonial oppression of the vaccine makers. I will shriek until the ears of my cats run red with blood. I will compensate for the silence of my cats with my primal shouts of outrage.

This is what an will do.
Aug. 1, 9:47 pm
Lee from Bay Ridge says:
We vaccinated out cat. Cancer grew from exact location. At first the cancer was removed through an operation and then we had his leg removed. Shortly after, the cancer spread through his body.

I won't vaccinate a pet again as the vaccines that they are providing are not safe for pets.
Aug. 1, 10:06 pm
BADKarma from Not NY says:
Oh, but your beloved pet should be allowed the opportunity to develop "natural immunity" to "harmless puppy/kittenhood diseases" like Parvo, FIV, Rabies, Distemper, etc! It's CRUEL to deny them that!
Aug. 1, 10:09 pm
TheHoneyBadger from Arizona says:
A massive outbreak of rabies would be exactly what that ——hole NYC deserves.
Aug. 1, 11:07 pm
Susan from Long Island says:
Never before have I've read so much special kind of stupid in one place. Having seen first hand the canine suffering from distemper makes these anti vax morons a danger to canines everywhere. Thanks Drudge for sharing with the world the stupidity of these morons.
Aug. 1, 11:27 pm
Smooch says:
Well I guess we will never know the truth since it not legal to sue vaccines producers , I mean I'm sure they are 100% safe and there's no need to runs some tests, I 100% believe the vaccine makers cause public school and the teevee said I should.
Aug. 1, 11:39 pm
Anon from Bangkok says:
I had both sarcomas & autism reversion to feral behavior arise in multi vaccinated cats, so I quit everything except rabies... The rest of the cat colony is healthier now fewer flus, etc... Talking large cat colony, multi vax leads to multi illness in cats ...
Aug. 1, 11:44 pm
John from Brighton beach says:
Vacs for kids have other things in them than the vac Now the American pediatric institute recommend against some of the mandatory shots Who knows what's in the pet shots
Aug. 1, 11:53 pm
Shawn Cole from Palatine says:
So in this article you are saying .04 percent of pooches will have an allergic reaction. I had no idea the danger was so high. Because of this article I will no longer vaccinate any dog or cat ever again.
Aug. 1, 11:55 pm
Dyss Gustine says:
“It’s a little different,” Liff said. “My patients go out and are exposed to things. They eat dirt. They eat poop.”

You actually let your dog lick your mouth?
Aug. 2, 12:03 am
Admin User from Not NYC says:
darwin works in mysterious ways.

don't inoculate pet.

rabid animal bites pet.

rabid pet bites owner.

evolution in action.
Aug. 2, 12:39 am
Nick from Windsor Terrace says:
It's just FAKE NEWS...
Aug. 2, 12:43 am
Jimjam from Carolina Beach says:
I have never seen a pet with Autism. Just what would this look like?
Aug. 2, 12:43 am
noodle from usa says:
Is it my imagination, or are the leftists becoming even more stupid and ignorant over time?
Aug. 2, 12:47 am
FlyOverCountry from Franklin says:
How do they feel about heart worm and tick and flee prevention? Meds for those are pretty powerful and very unnatural.
Aug. 2, 1:05 am
Jim from Ohio says:
I've had 4 dogs, all of which were never vaccinated. My 2 brothers had a combined number of 8 dogs. None of them were vaccinated either. All of these dogs were healthy and lived long lives and died from old age except for one that drowned and another that was hit by a car. On the other hand, my parents had one dog which they purchased after we had all moved out and it died from a reaction to a vaccination. I'll continue to not vaccinate my dogs. By the way, I'm 36 years old and have never had a vaccination. Guess how many times I've contracted measels, polio, had the flu, etc.... The answer is a big fat 0.
Aug. 2, 1:12 am
Fabio from Florida says:
Symptoms of autism:

Fails to respond to his or her name or appears not to hear you at times

Has poor eye contact and lacks facial expression

Doesn't speak or has delayed speech, or may lose previous ability to say words or sentences

Can't start a conversation or keep one going, or may only start a conversation to make requests or label items

Doesn't appear to understand simple questions or directions

Doesn't express emotions or feelings and appears unaware of others' feelings

Doesn't point at or bring objects to share interest

Inappropriately approaches a social interaction by being passive, aggressive, or disruptive

Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, such as:
Performs repetitive movements, such as rocking or spinning, or may perform activities that could cause harm

Develops specific routines or rituals and becomes disturbed at the slightest change

Moves constantly

May be uncooperative or resistant to change

Has problems with coordination or has odd movement patterns, such as clumsiness or walking on toes, and has odd, stiff, or exaggerated body language

May be fascinated by details of an object, such as the spinning wheels of a toy car, but doesn't understand the "big picture" of the subject

May be unusually sensitive to light, sound, and touch

Does not engage in imitative or make-believe play

May become fixated on an object or activity with abnormal intensity or focus

May have odd food preferences, such as eating only a few foods, or eating only foods with a certain texture

OH, MY GODDESS!!! EVERY DOG IN THE WORLD IS AUTISTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Seriously: We need to develop a vaccine for the form of stupidity called liberalism. Yes, this does have everything to do with liberalism, seeing as it is Brooklyn hipsters who are worried about vaccines giving their dogs autism.)
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Aug. 2, 1:37 am
Joseph from SF..Pacific Heights says:
those on the left, and always have been, will be "
our end".
Aug. 2, 1:44 am
Teri Campbell says:
I cannot believe what I am reading! Why would I ever want my dogs to die a horrible death due to parvo or rabies or anything for that matter. I don't vaccine every yr - I get the rabies shot that is good for 3 yrs. And I have never heard of an autistic dog- but I have heard of retarded adults.
Aug. 2, 2:12 am
Northrn Fox from Ohio says:
Please don't blame all this crap on ever liberal... most of us actually believe in science and know vaccines work. I have meet just as many conservatives who refuse to vaccinate as liberals. Stupid is stupid and it exists equally on both sides of the political fence.
Aug. 2, 2:39 am
Mike from Brooklyn says:
At 56 y.o. I have had a dog/s , up to 3 at one time, since the day I was born and we NEVER vaccinated and never had a problem. Years ago we didn't have the money to go to a vet, neither did any of my dog-owning friends, and having never needed a vet why fix it if it aint broke.
Aug. 2, 3:02 am
Bazinga says:
Ever since my dog wouldn't eat, drink, or move for 3 days following getting a rabies vaccine & yelped in pain if we touched her, I've opted for having titers drawn rather than getting unnecessary annual boosters, and so far, her immunity has still been good and no rabies boosters have been needed.
Same goes for my kids, who also get titers that show immunity. In fact, my young adult daughter hasn't had a tetanus shot in 17 years, yet her recent titers showed she has 8 times the level needed for immunity. I used to believe whole-heartedly in vaccines until my second child regressed into autism and immediately lost all of his language following getting 8 vaccines in one day. No one can convince me it was a coincidence that one day he was talking and imitating us and the very next day following 8 vaccines, he wasn't. I don't think vaccines CAUSE autism, but for susceptible individuals whose bodies can't rid itself of toxins as effectively as others can, vaccines can perhaps trigger autism. I suspect most peiple who are opting out of vaccines for their pets don't do it because they're afraid they'll get autism, but because they don't want to over-vaccinate, which may cause negative health effects. Also, for the record, I'm well-educated with a chemistry degree, so don't think for a minute I don't understand the science behind vaccines. When you honestly evaluate all of the studies and vaccine science, honest critical thinkers have to admit there are concerns about vaccines for both humans and animals.
Aug. 2, 3:05 am
LovesDogs from Queens says:
Is ——ting on my rug a symptom of autism?
Aug. 2, 5:07 am
Frances from The Dog House says:
Dogs do need basic shots, must have rabies shots by law. I personally believe that vaccines need to be spaced out and not be given all at one time. There is also a lot of over vaccination going on that can cause major health problems in some dogs. You want to keep you pets safe, but also not harm them at the same time. Find a vet that uses a little common sense if that still exist.
Aug. 2, 5:18 am
Ira from FarTogether says:
As nice as it is that they made this article to point out some flawed logic, the title of this is basically click bait.
They have no real evidence that the anti-vaccination movement is the underlying cause or even a footnote in more than 1 person's line of thought.
Aug. 2, 5:48 am
John from Your moms' says:
These same hip youngsters voted for Hillary. Coincidence?? I don't believe in coincidence.
Aug. 2, 6:52 am
Frank Booth from Lumberton says:
Another shining example that the Millenial generation is comprised of retarded degenerates more concerned with the latest deranged fantasy that they can use for virtue signaling on Twitter or Instagram rather than the actual health of animals or the community. I hope we see a day where Hipsters are hunted down in the streets like the dogs they yearn to abuse.
Aug. 2, 6:57 am
Roger from Park Slope says:
Unbiased fact-based reporting at its finest... oh wait.

Ad hominem in the opening line. No experts consulted to argue the other point of view... just a single interview with a single vet who is not an epidemiologist and probably knows less about vaccines than some of her clients. I know a Cornell vet and he knows frighteningly little about vaccines (Cornell is one of the best vet schools in the country, FYI).

I personally don't know all too much about pet vaccinations and their side effects... but I do know shoddy reporting when I see it.
Aug. 2, 7:02 am
Mara02jade says:
Wow the vitriol.. As a vet tech you wouldn't believe the number of animals I jured neurologically and deaths from vaccines do occur. Have had it happen to me w client pets more than once. Not fun to tell people their animal is dead because they thought they were doing the right thing and being good sheeple. My cats are healthy and no vax. You'll find d more docs and vets know the dangers outweigh the risks but fear the mafia CDC more.
Aug. 2, 7:11 am
Mary from Springfield says:
Sparkle, if you want cats who are vocal get a Siamese. It's just possible that your cats consider you to be too dumb to have an intelligent conversation.
Aug. 2, 7:23 am
RLABruce from Tennessee says:
My wife is in a wheelchair for the rest of her life due to a flu shot that statistically doesn't even do that much to prevent the flu. I wonder how many people getting flu shots are told about potential side effects? And there ARE potential side effects; here's a list of effects that the government admits to: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#mmr

There are a lot more side effects than those. Here's just one link to some facts about vaccines, what they do and what's in them:
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/16reasons.htm
Aug. 2, 7:26 am
Jake T says:
My dog got a leptospirosis vaccine based on the recommendation of the vet. The area became very raised and swollen. Within weeks she was fighting an auto-immune reaction that nearly killed her and cost my more than $3K in hospital fees. It was only later that I learned that the leptospirosis vaccine has a track record of complications, and that the chance of my dog getting leptospirosis in my area is close to nil. Money and profits are part of the equation. Ignore this FACT at your peril.
Aug. 2, 7:47 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Isn't the reason the unvaccinated dogs cited above remained healthy the fact that most of the other dogs in the population they encountered were vaccinated? If the population of unvaccinated dogs grows the chance of encountering a carrier will grow also. Same as with unvaccinated humans. I do agree that vaccinations should be spaced out, not given in bunches as mentioned in one of the comments above.
Aug. 2, 7:47 am
Scott from Missouri says:
You a retard if you don't the shot.
Aug. 2, 7:49 am
marty petersen from medford, wi says:
Over vaccinating is a serious issue for dogs. You and I received our polio sugar cubes or smallpox vaccinations once. We didn't repeat it every 1-3 years. Distemper, rabies and other vaccs. are overdone in this country for one reason. MONEY! Plus dosages are not set by weight of the dog sometimes. Small dogs can suffer serious side effects. The freshness of the vacc. is also an issue. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water but veterinarians and researchers need to do some work to make sure we are not over vaccinating our furry friends. AND keep the damn pharmaceutical companies out of it.
Aug. 2, 7:52 am
Shock24 from Somewhere else says:
Replying to LovesDogs from Queens:

Is ——ting on my rug a symptom of autism?

Answer: Indeed it is a sign. If the -- it is strategically placed in a dark location you frequent barefoot in the early morning hours.
Aug. 2, 7:53 am
Gary-O from Brentwood says:
"Hip youngsters who promote a more holistic lifestyle for their pets tend to be the most vocal anti-vaxxers, Ford said..."

Hip youngsters = Idiot Millenials

What's so "Hip" about watching your pet die from easily preventable diseases? How is that "hip"? If ignorance is hip then I'm glad to be square.
Aug. 2, 8 am
Steve from Milwaukee says:
Good grief there's a whole lot of stupid in these posts. The reason you vaccinate yearly for things like rabies is because the shot isn't 100% effective. That means some of the time it's not going to take, but some of the time it will. So, you do it yearly to increase the odds of your pet being successfully vaccinated.

To the ones that think you shouldn't vaccinate pets and that things like teas are going to cure them: Tea, of any sort, isnt going to cure things like parvo and rabies. That is, unless it also includes a bullet. If you've ever seen a pet suffer from parvo, feline leukemia, etc., maybe you'd understand just how cruel it is to not vaccinate.
Aug. 2, 8:05 am
Robert from Ontario says:
Stupid is NOT distributed equally amongst liberals and conservatives! You have to be stupid to be a liberal it's optional for a conservative.
Aug. 2, 8:13 am
Rep says:
We need to be better educated and not so trusting w/anyone based on their education. Garbage in, garbage out, Applies to everyone even Drs/Vets.

My cat was vaxd 14 yrs ago & immediately reacted (just a few hours or less); scratching, sneezing, biting himself, then shredding his skin w/back claws. Had him shaved and he had hives ALL OVER his body.

After spending thousands on "special cat vets" (because vaccines don't cause problems), finally had him tested for allergies and the list was over a page long. Vaccines made my normal-HEALTHY cat allergic to everything on the planet. He has never been healthy since and also going blind for several yrs now.

Just this past May 2017, a friend took her HEALTHY cat of five yrs, to have a rabies vax (in the hip) and two weeks ago, had to put him down as he developed a fast growing cancer at the injection site.

If your animals are indoors, you don't kennel them, might want to rethink vaccinations, only takes one bad one to destroy your beloved pet.
Aug. 2, 8:34 am
Zoey from BROOKLYN says:
Oh, for God's sake. I'm embarrassed that this is what passes for journalism in Brooklyn. The author started with a bias, talked to one equally biased veterinarian, and did everything he could to make people who question pets' vaccines out to be idiots. That's not journalism. That's propaganda.

How about discussing REAL vaccine risks? How about discussing the huge increase in bizarre cancers and autoimmune diseases experienced by young highly vaccinated animals? How about discussing the veterinarians who revaccinate pets every single year? There are sound reasons to keep preventative treatments that artificially stimulate the immune system to a minimum, but clearly your writer was so determined to ridicule people that actual investigation was off the table.
Aug. 2, 8:38 am
John from Astoria says:
This is funny... now I'm sure they will do a safety study on dogs that compares fully vaccinated dogs to dogs that received 0 vaccines and find a correlation!

(In human vaccine safety studies they compare kids who got 60 vaccines to kids who got 61)
Aug. 2, 8:58 am
Pamela from Bk says:
I don't think that dogs and cats are meant to live in houses.
Aug. 2, 9:07 am
Carl Ian Schwartz from Paterson, New Jersey says:
The anti-vaxxers seem to be doing Trump and the GOP's genocidal work for them. The GOP "healthcare" bill was basically genocide of 22 million fellow Americans through malign neglect. The anti-vaxxers will eliminate hard-achieved herd immunities for spurious reasons, backed by pseudo-science.
What's next from these nutty-fagan people? Promoting coprophagia?
Aug. 2, 9:52 am
Arthur from N/A says:
I cant believe people are this stupid anymore if u dnt vaccinate u should lose your pet and never own one again to me thats abuse of treatable diseases that dogs should not have to suffer my dog is vaccinated and very healthy you people are just retarded
Aug. 2, 10:02 am
Owl from Oxford says:
So when your dog bites somebody, and it doesn't have a rabies vaccination, you can get sued out the ying yang and even have your dog taken away and killed. How do they see if an animal has rabies? Cutting it's head off. So you'd rather let you dog get it's head cut off than be a responsible owner and vaccinate your pet?!

You don't deserve an animal then
Aug. 2, 10:51 am
Janine Linder from Crescent Hill says:
I agree in initial vaccinations and those given again at reasonable intervals. Some are recommended much more often than has been found to be necessary (or effective), especially in older dogs. It is also true that a number of pets die of vaccine-induced sarcomas (one of mine, one of my friend's cats). A number also have body parts amputated due to cancers at vaccine sites. Some animals die or suffer severe reactions to vaccinations. It really can be an issue. Owners do need more education on pros and cons. I wish I had been given more information.
Aug. 2, 12:23 pm
J. Fox from OKC says:
I work in dog rescue. Please spay, neuter, and vaccinate your pets. Parvo and distemper are terrible ways to die.
Aug. 2, 12:35 pm
Joe from Brooklyn says:
The simple solution here is for these people to not have a pet at all.
Aug. 2, 12:49 pm
Travis Schwochert from Sunset Park says:
I had 12 cats. Each of them developed malignant cancer at the site of a vaccination and I couldn't afford to get the veterinarian to put them down so I had to drown them in a weighted sack.
I assume it was cancer. A small speck of dried blood is cancer, right?
Aug. 2, 12:54 pm
Rance from Texas says:
Interesting to come across this article, since I just saw another one article on "potential autism" in animals:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/antisocial-bees-share-genetic-profile-people-autism

And as Northrn Fox said above, anti-vaxxers are distributed in a bimodal fashion at both political extremes, with conservative home-schoolers who fear government control and tree-huggers who think they are "un-natural poisons"...ironically both sides make use of the other's arguments even though they wouldn't be caught in the same room otherwise.
Aug. 2, 1:07 pm
Jennifer from Brooklyn says:
Hi, I'm the Jennifer from Brooklyn that ISN'T a total idiot. Hope you can give tea when you see rabies spreading through pets and children. Seriously. It isn't YOUR decision to not vaccinate a pet or child, it's a decision that affects everyone. If you truly think anti-vax is okay, you don't deserve to own any living being.
Vaccinate your pets, children, yourself. Don't overvaccinate, definitely don't undervaccinate. Do educate yourself.
Aug. 2, 1:26 pm
Lorrie the vet from Alabama says:
I did an extensive literature search on feline vaccine associated sarcoma while in my small animal surgical residency about 17 yrs ago. Many of the authors of those papers as well as myself think that it is a problem with the individual cat's immune system not the vaccine because any subcutaneous trauma that invokes an immune response can cause a fibrosarcoma to form. Plus the incidence rate is really low and lower now that we have reduced the reactiveness of feline vaccines.
Aug. 2, 1:40 pm
Hipster Moron from Clinton Hill says:
I once stepped on a crack and broke my mother's back. I blame vaccines.

I forgot to throw salt over my shoulder and my house burned down. I blame vaccines.

I broke a mirror and had seven years of bad luck. I blame vaccines.

YMMV
Aug. 2, 2:03 pm
Evolutionist from Clinton Hill says:
Hey, if they don't want to get vaccines for themselves or their kids or their pets that is totally fine with me even if I run the risk of getting rabies from their pets (even though that risk is so close to zero it is effectively zero).

Look at it this way, when they and/or their children succumb to a disease for which they did not receive a vaccine to prevent it helps remove their genes from the gene pool and makes humanity as a whole smarter in the future since no one with a normal immune system who did a thoughtful risk assessment would decide that it makes sense not be vaccinated.

The VAXers are just some chlorine for the gene pool and the gene pool desperately needs it.
Aug. 2, 2:09 pm
Lemming from BK says:
Robert DeNiro and Jenny McCarthy say vaccines are bad and they should know since they are scientists with extensive experience with immunology and public health! Oh wait, err, they are just actors. My bad.
Aug. 2, 2:11 pm
Nick from None of your biz says:
My dog died of cancerous sarcomas and everytime i brought it up to the vet they said it was just a fatty lump, nothin to worry about until it was too late, i got him vaccinated 2 times, and i WOULD NEVER get my pet vaccinated again. —— Vaccines and your murderers giving them to people and animals
Aug. 2, 2:21 pm
Sean F from Bensonhurst says:
Well, at least we've found a topic more controversial than bike lanes.

For what it's worth, I don't believe in keeping mammals as pets, but for those who do, it should all be about risk mitigation and public safety. Which means vaccinating on a reasonable schedule with the participation of a qualified vet.
Aug. 2, 2:43 pm
Ed from Bay Ridge says:
I've adopted dogs all of my life -- all rescues, all of different ages, some geriatric or with disabilities (deafness, blindness, heart conditions). All were spayed/neutered and regularly vaccinated and lived long happy lives (to ages 15-21).
Aug. 2, 3:20 pm
Brooklyn Lidia from Prospect Park says:
Just ask Gandhi what he thought about vaccination.

http://tinyurl.com/kzknda7

http://tinyurl.com/k5aq6ro
Aug. 2, 4:46 pm
Steve Gregg from New Jersey says:
These hipster Luddites who deny the science of vaccination are the same ones promoting the junk science of global warming.
Aug. 2, 4:52 pm
Lulu S. from Lawrenceville NJ says:
The anti-vaxxers, by putting their children and, now pets, in danger of lethal diseases easily preventable by vaccine, are implying by their very own argument, that autism is worse than death. REALLY? Autism is worse than death? And, where do you get your info? From the tinfoil hat you're wearing? I'm not broadcasting on that frequency, but I have something to say to you people. I know someone who has an autistic family member who, although many times she's not "on the wavelength" of the other family members, has contributed much joy and, yes, love to her parents and sibs. She's about to get married, for god's sake. I'm sick of entitled, know-it-all hipsters who place their "lofty" ideals above the everyday fray of common folk, and always endangering someone ELSE in the name of do-gooding. You need to change your underwear and eat something besides kale.
Aug. 2, 6:03 pm
Micky Adams from Not in Brooklyn says:
It has nothing to do with autism in children. Do more research. Why vaccinate if they don't need it. Do a titer. Rabies are the law so no choice but why criticize those who titer their dogs.
Aug. 2, 6:16 pm
Betsy from Alabama says:
I have worked at a vet clinic for nearly 10 years in an area where not all pets go to the Dr. for their vaccines. I have seen dozens of cases of parvovirus each year, I have seen an outbreak of distemper and I've even seen a few cases of rabies. All these diseases are heartbreaking and totally avoidable. Rabies is terrifying. It is part of being a responsible pet owner and citizen to get your pet vaccinated and spayed/neutered. The reason why these diseases and viruses are not seen more commonly in every community is because vaccines exist and are given!!
Aug. 2, 9:14 pm
Jacob from Ditmas Park says:
Just wondering if anyone knew where I could get vegan food for my two cats? It would be cool if it's local, too, but just regular old vegan cat food would be fine.
Aug. 2, 10:08 pm
chester arthur from williamsburg says:
The squirrel they mention in the story probably ate stuff like broccolli,which blocks calcium absorption.Without sufficient calcium,squirrels get real aggressive.The solution is to put out cleaned,empty egg shells where they feed.They chew on the shells,and become less aggressive.Nobody has ever been proven to have been bitten by a rabid squirrel and gotten rabies.For that matter,no cases of raccoon-human rabies transmission has been documented,even though raccoons can get rabies.It sounds a little weird that dogs can get autism(how would you know?)But I've seen the cancer starting at the site of an injection syndrome several times.I also know that autism was much,much less common before the new immunizations in later childhood started being commonly supplied.I know scientists are getting pretty prissy about people not believing them on the autism/increased immunization,but this is an era when people read and observe for themselves rather than accepting biased scientific dogma.Remember Martin Luther's revolt against church dogma and not letting people read and interpret the bible for themselves?They called that the Reformation,and it's now come to the scientific world.
Aug. 2, 10:36 pm
Sue from California says:
As one who has researched this subject thoroughly for over 35 years, I am saying that, without a doubt, ALL vaccines are ALL poison, ALL the time. It took me awhile to get a hold of all the information which is purposely withheld from us (so what is left for most people, except to parrot what you've been spoon fed by those who profit?)

I've never been a hipster, and I've never, ever followed the herd. I had a gut instinct about vaccines after a dog I adopted had been vaccinated at the pound, and he was the only dog at the house to get distemper (the three unvaccinated ones didn't "catch" it from him).

Then I got hold of a vigorously banned book, which exposed a lot of information that the profiting industries don't want the public to know.

I don't want to write a whole book here, but people can read my book, "The Vaccination Connection," free at the site of People for Reason In Science and Medicine.
Aug. 2, 10:54 pm
Rich from Virginia Beach says:
Anecdotal evidence suggests failure to vaccinate in both the anti-vaxer human and pet populations leads to higher morbidity and mortality within those populations. Darwinian selection against the linked "dumb" gene complex increases, effectively lowering the reproductive success of those populations.
Aug. 3, 7:04 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
I give many pets STD's when I have intercourse with them. My cunny smells like a box of clams that's been buried in the desert for a year.
Aug. 3, 9:54 am
Lulu from West Village says:
If vaccines really worked, then why do people get sick and die? Are we just using these animals for ANIMAL TESTING?!
All these people are obsessed with vaccines, but have they tried organic food? Have they used cocnut oil? Has anyone tried crystal therapy? Any one of these options is as or more effective than poking your animal with a needle.
I recently saw on facebook that a mix of cashews and manuka honey is 1000x more powerful than chemotherapy. We could try mixing that in with our dog food (and it's vegan!) before doing something crazy.
Aug. 3, 10:18 am
Fye dough from Sunset Park says:
These people are a public health risk, plain and simple. That should be taken seriously, they are not free to jeopardize the health of the rest of us or our pets, and something should be done to stop them. Mandatory vaccines? Massive fines? Jail time? I think those are all valid, and better than letting the irrationality of the few endanger the many.
Aug. 3, 12:30 pm
Kawaiiko from Park Slope says:
It really depends on your lifestyle. If you dogs are NOT going to be out in the park, or wooded areas or anywhere there is a puddle, or any form of mold/garbage,etc, then don't really need to vaccinate.. just know that there is a risk that if your dog accidentally does injest some kind of bacteria left by raccoons, rats, bugs, (wildlife in general) there will always be a risk of sickness/hospitalization, which will cost you more money than the vaccines.

I think it's up to the owner. I vaccinate b/c I would rather not have the worry of this.. Plus, it's every 3 years. And now they have the combo shots... One shot every three years sound ok to me.
Aug. 3, 3:52 pm
Nena from Rogers Park says:
This is a Cujo situation waiting to happen.
Aug. 4, 1:26 am
Benny from Park Slope says:
Holy. F***ing. Sh**. Someone here actually wrote: "If vaccines really worked, then why do people get sick and die?"

Christ on a goddamn cracker! Vaccines don't confer immortality, you f***ing harebrained f***! In 99.9 percent of cases, vaccines fight/prevent disease. In a very, very small percentage of cases, they can be harmful. Even deadly.

Science is not perfect. It's not ironclad. But it's still a million times better than superstition. You don't want to vaccinate your pets or kids? Fine. Move to a town where all the kids and pets are unvaccinated. Just keep your critters the f*** away from mine. Jesus!
Aug. 4, 12:50 pm
P.A. Burke from Providence RI says:
I'm not totally sure how you can name this "reasonable discourse" and publish the first letter... "You can vaccinate your pets, but then you are putting them at an increased risk for autism. It's almost animal abuse if you do. In fact, almost all animal diseases could be cured or treated with hot tumeric tea and coconut oil, so vaccines are really superfluous."
And I will bite my tongue and not jokingly list breeds, with ADD and ADHD.

What veterinarians , can and should do , and , as one, I have always done, is fire any client who does not vaccinate against core diseases (distemper Adeno 2 Parvo (dogs) and distemper URI cats) at some minimal level ( a series in young animals and one as an adult, and at some frequency depending on situation - every 3-5 years) and vaccinate as required by law, for Rabies. I have also refused to hospitalize any animal which is woefully under-vaccinated. MANY PEDIATRICIANS HAVE DRAWN THIS LINE ! Because few vaccines are 100 % , others ( people or pets) are put at risk. It is near impossible to create a waiver for someone to sign which fully educates them, leaving the DVM open to law suits. ( Catch 22-
If they really understood, they wouldn't refuse ). Or to recoup the costs if a "legally un-vaccinated" dog or cat bites a staff member, or a non staff member, another pet or even the owner themselves, while on the veterinarian's property. Means nothing that any pet is almost certainly lifetime immune after the third rabies, and no US dog, has caused rabies since maybe the 1980s - probably Texas before in cooperation with Mexico (remember those days?) we pushed dog rabies out. (And big question if cats can transmit the disease at all ) . Being willing to care for animals, and clients , and children, has its limits. And owners who are totally against vaccinations - you can't help them anyway.
Aug. 5, 3:03 pm
Caroline from Berkeley says:
This article is BS. I go to numerous different dog parks and I don't know a single pet owner who is skipping vaccination because of fear of their dogs getting autism. They chose to avoid, delay or skip some vaccines because their pets are over vaccinated. Have you noticed so many of our dogs have seizures, tumors/cancer, obesity, diabetes, skin issues, gut issues, thyroid dysfunction, ear infections, epilepsy and many other neurological and autoimmune diseases? Vaccines, GMOs, fluoride, parasitic medications all contribute to the high toxic burden experienced by our dogs. Pet owners are waking up.
Aug. 8, 10:03 pm
Tex from Gravesend says:
I've met breeders who caution not against vaccinations, but against vets who want to over-vaccinate. The boosters every 2 years are excessive they say. I followed their advice, shots the first year and boosters the second that's it. The only shots I've given them since has been for rabies and lepto, because both are terriers and we go to the fields upstate often and they may go after a field mouse or drink from water that might be infected.
Aug. 10, 1:59 pm
Lesley from Outside says:
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/dangerous-over-vaccination-on-the-rise/

Believe in puppy shots but we are actually over vaccinating. That may be the argument rather than risk of autism
Aug. 15, 4:32 pm
Artie whitefox from Nothern california says:
Stick to your guns refusing to have good for nothing substance from being put into your pet. There are no health benefits from toxic substances. It is worse when they are combined in a shot. There is a war against us, our pets, people that are said people to be mentally changed too.
1. "Acetone: 2. Aluminum phosphate and aluminum sulfate: Known also by its chemical make up, phosphoric acid and aluminum salt, aluminum phosphate consists of a corrosive acid and neurotoxin. Similarly, aluminum sulfate is known by its components, sulfuric acid, an extremely carcinogenic and corrosive acid, and aluminum salt, a neurotoxin."
3. Benzethonium chloride: 4. Ethanol: 5. Formaldehyde: 6. Glutaraldehyde: 7. "Human serum albumin: A human protein, but it can only be broken down when digested. When it is injected it can cause autoimmune encephalitis (AE) disorders and allergies."
8.Polysorbate 80: 9. Phenol-carbolic acid: 10. Thimerosal: Also known as ethylmercury, thimerosal is 49.6 percent mercury.
11. Glyphosphate which is in Roundup weed killer. 12. sodium deoxycholate. That is found in almost every flu vaccine. That chemical is a water soluble ionic detergent/bile salt which causes cell death. Putting things in the body that cause cell death saying they are good for you is magic fooling the minds of people. Detergent is not a healthy thing to inject into your blood stream. Ethanol is a gas additive. Thatv is not a healthy thing to inject into your blood.
Medical people don’t want to help mentally challenged people either. The people who can be contacted through the web pages below can prevent many mental problems and other problems too.
Go to Upcspine.com, NUCCA.org, Thespesific.com or Upper cervical health centers to not get the symptoms associated with the acronym names and other names that are many. Don't be measured by them the day of a hit to the head accident or fall. Wait 4 - 5 days. If you can be treated by Steven Duff, Windsor, California or Richard Duff, San Francisco, California.
Don’t let people take the reproductive parts off of their pet.
Zoosexuals need to not be rejected too even as your harmless selves don’t want to be rejected. Non-human animals have their way of communicating. Please your pet even as you want to be pleased. Both sexes. It should not be a crime to be seen pleasing or being pleased by a non-human animal.

Altering needs to stop[ to. People need to be left alone when seen helping a pet with their sexual urges.
Oct. 14, 2:34 pm

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