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America’s bike lane! Paul Steely White and Rob Perris talk pedestrian rights to live with Gersh and Vince

Community Board 2 district manager Rob Perris and Transportation Alternatives’ Paul Steely White at our MetroTech studio.
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Build it and they will hum.

If the city would design better roadways, drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians would all be singing “Kumbaya” instead of screaming, “Get the f--- outta my way, a------!”

That’s the conclusion of Paul Steely White, head of Transportation Alternatives, the pedestrian- and cycling–advocacy group, which is championing Mayor DeBlasio’s latest boost for his so-called Vision Zero street safety plan.

“It’s a $2.5-billion capital commitment over 10 years — and the mayor just added $300 million, so that’s huge,” the man with the apt middle name said on Tuesday morning’s barn-burning episode of Brooklyn Paper Radio. “Casualties are going down and life is coming back to the street because we are investing in more protected bike lanes, slower vehicular speeds and taking care of our pedestrians.”

That’s why White’s group supported the controversial Prospect Park West bike lane a few years back and is now backing a redesigned Fourth Avenue, which would add a protected bike lane in hopes of slowing car traffic on a roadway many drivers use as a highway.

Show host Gersh Kuntzman of the New York Daily News said there are still far too many casualties — more than 150 cyclists and pedestrians were killed on city streets in 2015.

But White said that number is going down by “roughly 10 percent per year” because of Vision Zero strategies — and White wants more.

“Enforcement and educating drivers will help, but it comes down to design,” he said. “There is often controversy over streetscape changes because some people have a static view of what streets can and should be. But streets are flexible and we can design them differently. And I think we have helped people see that.”

Of course, it’s not enough. Kuntzman pointed out that Mayor DeBlasio’s much-hyped new ferry from the Rockaways to Manhattan is subsidized at a rate of more than $6 per ride — whereas the mayor doesn’t put a dime into CitiBike.

“The mayor still has time to add money,” said White. “For pennies per trip, we can create the most robust equitable bike share system in the world. If I have one beef with the mayor, it’s not enough subsidies for CitiBike. Yes, we need ferries because we live in an archipelago…

At that point, fellow guest Community Board 2 District Manager Rob Perris jumped in.

“I don’t think he’s using ‘archipelago’ correctly,” Perris said. “New York City is not a chain of islands.”

White defended his use of the term, which comes from the Greek words for “chief” and “sea.” A subsequent dictionary search revealed that the word “archipelago” typically means “a group of islands,” which could make White correct — but that’s an argument for another day.

In a related conversation, Kuntzman once again described himself as “devoutly heterosexu­al,” yet complimented the looks of all the men in the room, especially his co-host, Vince DiMiceli.

“I can appreciate male beauty,” Kuntzman said, “but the reason I’m bringing up DiMiceli is to say he is the most courteous driver I’ve ever driven with. If every American drove like DiMiceli, there would be roughly four vehicular deaths a year nationwide. And I don’t say that because he’s handsome.”

“The key,” DiMiceli said, “is I’m not like most drivers, who seem to think they have a right to get some place quickly. Everyone needs to relax.”

Brooklyn Paper radio is recorded and podcast live every Tuesday at 10 am — for your convenience — from our studio in America’s Downtown and can be found, as always, right here on BrooklynPaper.com, on iTunes, on Mixlr, and of course, on Stitcher.

Posted 12:00 am, May 3, 2017
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Reasonable discourse

Watching the Crooks from Brooklyn says:
Let's be clear...CitBike/Motivate is a private entity earning big bucks for using public property to position their kiosks everywhere and do not pay one penny of rent to the city.

CitiBike and its de-fact spokesman Steely-White are leveraging the failures of the Mayor to own responsibility for infrastructure transportation implementation even as deBlasio is concurrently increasing density to cater to his campaign funding real estate developers.

The Related Companies -big time developers here- have a stake in NYC Bikeshare LLC-a wholly owned subsidiary of Motivate...read up folks...

And Steely-White wants even more of our tax dollars to help fund developers...? "The Mayor still has time to add money." CitiBike should be filling the city coffers...NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!

Folks...time to learn something...open this link and read:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3055168/love-citi-bike-you-have-a-real-estate-developer-to-thank
May 3, 9:46 am
Tyler from pps says:
"Watching the Crooks" -- interesting (and ridiculous) spin on Citibikes... and the article you linked.

It's almost like you're looking for a conspiracy when all of this is well-known, out in the open information. Hmmm...
May 3, 12:39 pm
Tyler from pps says:
I mean... this is shocking! Can you imagine a real estate company taking an interest in improved city transportation infrastructure? What next?! Will the MTA have real estate professionals on their advisory boards?! Aaaaack!
May 3, 12:58 pm
Alan from Crown Heights says:
You know who else uses public property to position their private property everywhere without paying a penny of rent to the city? Basically every member of the car-owning minority who uses the street for free parking.
May 3, 2:42 pm
TOM from Brooklyn says:
Mayor Bloomberg adopted CitiBike, got them CitiBank funding but NEVER put up City money. He knew it an unsustainable business from the start.
May 3, 4:02 pm
Jim from Greenpoint says:
Alan from crown heights: are you still smelling cocaine ?
May 3, 4:33 pm
Resident from Brooklyn says:
TOM, please stay in Sunset Park. The reason Bloomberg got corporate sponsorship for Citi Bike was because he knew that cranks like you would never have stood for taxpayer dollars going into a bikeshare system. Can you imagine how many shades of red your face would have turned had that happened? So instead, he went all in on a big bank footing the sponsorship bill. Are you now saying you're in favor of subsidizing bikeshare the way we subsidize public transit and roads and highways?
May 3, 5:04 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I'm not surprised to see the bike zealots and anti-car fanatics come up to Mr. White's defense. Honestly, I do find him to be a hypocrite when it comes to safety. In just about everything he says, he always makes motorists the criminals even though pedestrians and cyclists have their own share of flouting laws themselves. This is exactly why I relate all of what he says to George Orwell's Animal Farms in that he believes that his group are the special animals that are exempt from all laws, while everyone else must be subject to every letter of them. In reality, if you really want safe streets, then all groups must follow the laws, and not just a select group only.
May 3, 6:22 pm
samir kabir from downtown says:
Hey, here's an idea. Bicyclists obeying traffic rules! What a concept! I guess that won't fly, because it doesn't cost anything.
May 4, 5:13 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Why are pedestrians and cyclists allied? Cyclists are a menace to pedestrians, since so many of them do not follow the rules, and unlike cars,are practically invisible until they are upon you.
May 4, 6:04 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Cyclists and pedestrians are allied because cyclists are pedestrians and because cars kill us constantly. We know what the menace is. You have to be willfully stupid and lack all shame to make another argument.
May 4, 9:36 am
the old geographer says:
From Italian arcipelago, "the Aegean Sea," with the Aegean Sea being full of island chains.
May 4, 10:04 am
Ms.Me from Bay Ridge says:
Cyclists hit people too, and often on the sidewalk!
May 4, 10:42 am
Ms.Me from Bay Ridge says:
Just spotted this comment on a Times story:

BIKE GAZING

Bicycles fly with silent zooms,
Cleanest mode of travel,
Spewing forth no toxic fumes,
Greenest beyond cavil.

See him zipping down a one-way,
Munching on a snack--
Righteous Biker going his own way,
Bang! You're on your back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/nyregion/new-york-today-preparing-for-president-trump.html?_r=0
May 4, 11:59 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Ms.Me, you are too stupid to realize you are proving my point and undermining your own.

Me: "cars kill us constantly"
You: "Cyclists hit people too"

Surely, you are not so dense that you think being hit but not killed is as bad as being hit and killed.. but you make the argument as if you are stupid enough to think that.

It is extremely unfair of you anti-bike activists to throw up (in the vomit sense as well as other ways) these idiotic arguments and then expect people who understand anything about the world to not act smugly. Can some intelligent people please show up and relieve Ms.Me from this fight? She is in over her head.
May 4, 12:59 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
test
May 4, 1:14 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
I am not an anti-bike activist. I am a pedestrian who is afraid of being hit by one of you. And people have been killed by bikes. Yes they have. Googling "pedestrian hit by bike" produces deaths all over the country.
May 4, 1:18 pm
intheSlope from Park Slope says:
Ms.Me you are totally misguided, misinformed and uninformed period! From 2000 to 2013 (the most recent year for which official bike crash data are available), cyclists killed eight New York City pedestrians, according to DOT. During that time frame, drivers killed 2,291 people walking. There were two reported incidents in which people on bikes struck and killed pedestrians in 2014, when DMV data show drivers killed 127 pedestrians. SO get facts so you don live in fear of being killed from the wrong thing!!!
May 4, 3:26 pm
Ben from Brooklyn says:
fact: must of bikers are not following rules and regulations, we need more police offices handling out summons making sure biker are following rules and regulations.....
May 4, 3:36 pm
Joe from Brooklyn says:
Always glad to read input from the psychotic readers of the Brooklyn Paper
May 4, 3:54 pm
intheSlope from Park Slope says:
Yeah lets have NYPD go after the the groups that are the least to harm you & everyone 1st because YOU can't stand the fact anyone is getting away with something... really?
May 4, 4:06 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
But there are thousands more cars on the road than bikes so the incidents can not be compared in that fashion. As I said, the cars are much more visible than bicycles. Now if you would all wear DayGlo outfits maybe pedestrians and drivers could see you better.
May 4, 5:39 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
MsMe, you're still continuing with this embarrassing stupidity. Stop it. The reason cars kill so many more people than bikes do is that cars weigh a lot more and go a lot faster. It's physics.
May 4, 8:22 pm
Henry Ford from Bay Ridge says:
Cars kill people, so bikers can do whatever their little heart desires is the argument from the bike zealots. How about everyone follows the rules of the road, and a lot fewer of us get maimed and killed?
May 4, 9:23 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Physics and MATH! BTW isn't calling someone "stupid" violating the rules posted below?
May 5, 2:25 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
I'm not rudely calling you stupid. I'm accurately describing a staunch refusal to understand statistics or physics. The shoe fits. It is a choice you make to wear it.
May 5, 8:04 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Mike is really showing his true colors here. Previously all he did was whine for a cheap government subsidized apartment. Hey, maybe it's an improvement!
May 5, 9:53 am
Tyler from pps says:
Ms. Me -- Calling your stupid arguments stupid is not calling you stupid. It's an evaluation of the level of stupidity of your stupid arguments. It would be fair to assume you are far less stupid than your arguments. However, doubling-down on stupid arguments doesn't reflect too kindly on the one making the argument.
May 5, 2:12 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Statistics just give the numbers and nothing else. However, they don't tell the whole story. Also, some can actually mix them around just to go in their favor. A major thing that statistics don't tell you is the causes. I won't be surprised if many of those who got hit weren't following the laws themselves. Believe it or not, when a pedestrian or cyclist flouts the law, they are actually placing themselves in harm's way. Then again, they pretty much don't care, because they know that there will be places such as Transportation Alternatives that will think of them as martyrs even if they know they could have avoided being hit just by simply following the laws rather than acting as victims to them or claiming that it implies to everybody else but them. Please understand that safety does go both ways here, not just one way only. On a side note, using statistics to make such a claim to say motorists are always bad due to killing or injuring more than what cyclists ever do almost reminds me of the anti-Israel fanatics who claim that since the IDF kills a lot more Palestinians than how much Hamas kills Israelis, which makes them conclude that the IDF is much more of a terrorist organization than Hamas will ever be. This is why I relate Streetsblog to the Electronic Intifada while relating Transportation Alternatives to the BDS especially due to their nature. However, if anyone can prove that they don't have an anti-car bias on those websites, I will gladly believe them, otherwise my statement will hold.
May 5, 3:38 pm
Fred from Windsor Terrace says:
What NYC needs is a sturdier pedestrian.
May 5, 8:25 pm
Joe from Brooklyn says:
Hmm.

Should we believe stats provided by the professionals at NYC DOT/NYPD/other departments whose job it is to evaluate Vision Zero

Or

The thoughts of some random village idiot from Plesantville
May 6, 9:39 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, cut with the name calling and personal attacks. Then again, this is pretty much what I can expect from bike zealots and other anti-car fanatics. I guess some don't understand that data can always be skewed and fudged to a person's liking. What some keep forgetting is that they don't tell what really happened. As usual, they will believe that anyone who drives is always evil just like how White always portrays those such as myself, that I tend to find slanderous. Of course the bike zealots tend to miss my point just as much as they miss just about every traffic light and sign they run through. BTW, calling for cyclists and pedestrians to follow the rules themselves isn't being against safety. If anything, that's shows how much more I care about safety, because the only way to really have safe streets is to have all groups follow the rules, not just one only aka Animal Farms style. Again, I am still waiting for proof that neither Transportation Alternatives or Streetsblog doesn't has an anti-car bias, because so many of their posts do point that way. Until then, my statement will be upheld unless anyone can prove otherwise rather than trying to be defensive.
May 6, 4:13 pm
Henry Ford from Bay Ridge says:
Tal, comparing bike fetishists to terrorists is ridiculous. I gotta hope you are fake news coming out of the "ban all teh cars" crowd.
May 6, 10:06 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
I am upwards of 700lbs. And when Tal & I are 69-ing the smell would drop a full grown rhino. Can you even fathom the amount of clitty litter I produce on a daily basis? Or the amount of ballsac mung that I scrape off of Tal with my rotted teeth? You people need to waddle in my shoes for a mile and then get back to me.
May 6, 10:54 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Henry Ford, if you bother to read what anti-Israel fanatics and anti-car fanatics say, you will find that they are almost similar just with some words substituted. I know this from what they say on the NY Times. As a matter of fact, I do get recommended for saying something like this on that very paper unlike here, but that's probably because the NY Times is much more open than the Brooklyn Paper, plus you have to be a subscriber to not just read it online, but to comment there as well like I do. Nevertheless, I do tell things like it is, and the bike zealots along with other anti-car fanatics do have a history of being selective when it comes to stating their claims. I'm still waiting for them to prove where Paul Steely White doesn't have an anti-car bias let alone any of the websites that promote their causes. In other words, I am like Stephen Colbert here in how I am mentioning this just like how he did with Trump and Putin.
May 7, 3:45 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I also like to lick the genitals of people infected with STD's. I look for the open sores with the most puss.
May 7, 4:25 pm
Josh from Manhattan says:
Tal, you have the same arguments every time. But please, stop focusing on the number of times you are recommended on the NYT. My favorite was the last time you included a link because you were recommended twice, and every other comment on the article was recommended more than yours, making your comment the LEAST recommended comment. For crying out loud man, get a grip!

Side note: again, the person always imitating Tal, and now Ms. Me, grow the hell up and quit it. Yes, Tal's comments are annoyingly the same, and make for a good joke in and of themselves, and Ms. Me has an argument that does not match your thinking, but quit with the childish antics of stupid impersonation. While Tal is obviously beyond talking to, and quotes continuously from the one book he remembers reading in middle school, instead of making such disparaging comments towards Ms. Me, try engaging her in actual conversation to attempt to get her to see the light. Attacking her straight off, and anyone (other than Tal) for that matter, will just cause them to dig in further, rather than to see facts. Come on, people.
May 8, 7:11 pm
Josh, Ms. Me and Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, Manhattan and Bay Ridge says:
Tal Barzilai from Plesantville, Josh from Manhattan and Ms. Me from Bay Ridge are all alter egos of a deeply troubled individual
May 10, 3:57 pm

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