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Citi gripes: Slopers hate Carroll Street Citi Bike rack

Pushback: Eight-year-old Ethan Wind, pictured here with mom Kelley, is really mad about losing parking spaces on Carroll Street.
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It is a case of rack and ruin.

Carroll Street residents had a rude awakening on Monday morning when they went outside to discover a Citi Bike rack had claimed four parking spaces between Fourth and Fifth avenues. The Park Slopers say the city couldn’t have found a more inconvenient place for the big blue bike-rental berth, and now they’re stuck driving around in circles in search of dwindling places to stow their cars.

“I’m all in favor of the bikes, but whoever decided to put them there, I don’t understand,” said block resident Kelley Wind. “You circle and circle. You can spend a half-hour looking for a spot.”

The new docking station is one of around 60 the city is rolling out through Park Slope and other neighborhoods south of Atlantic Avenue right now.

The Department of Transportation held workshops last year inviting denizens to suggest locations for the stations, and unveiled the sites to Community Board 6 in October. This paper and other local media outlets also covered the chosen locales at length.

And yet many locals say they had no idea the Carroll Street rack was coming until they woke up Monday morning, and believe the city didn’t do enough to let them know about the meetings.

“I don’t know anyone who knew about it,” said local Kim Felsenthal. “Often times, in their public hearings, they have postings up saying there’s a hearing on this topic. I did not see anything like that.”

The residents are now petitioning Councilman Brad Lander (D–Park Slope) to lobby the city to move the hated rack elsewhere and restore their beloved parking spaces, according to Wind.

“We wrote Brad Lander, other people wrote Brad Lander, and we’re going to see if there’s any way to reverse it and get it moved,” she said.

Lander, a strong supporter of the Citi Bike program who cut the ribbon on the new stations just last week, declined to comment.

Carroll Street citizens don’t all oppose the hub — at least one new resident said she’d been eagerly awaiting the authentic New York experience of finding a bank-sponsored bike rack outside her door.

“When we moved, I was so sad Citi Bike wasn’t here,” said Allison Rodriguez, who recently relocated from New Jersey and lives between Fifth and Sixth avenues. “And then, when I saw in the news it was coming to Fifth and Carroll, I was like, ‘Awesome!’ ”

But the Carroll Street depot isn’t the residents’ only complaint — they argue there are simply too many docks, placed too closely together. There is another one a block away near Sixth Avenue, another at Union Street and Fourth Avenue, and a third by JJ Byrnes Playground, and glut demonstrates poor planning on the city’s part, one resident said.

“There does not appear to be reasoned placement of the bikes in areas which will least inconvenience the neighborho­od,” said Michael Goldberger.

Their position is at odds with some Community Board 6 members, who complained that the city wasn’t adding enough docks to the area when voting on the plans last year.

Reach reporter Colin Mixson at cmixson@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4505.
Updated 7:54 pm, July 18, 2017
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Reasonable discourse

go back to Jersey from Park Slope says:
If Allison Rodriguez wants bike racks instead of parking spaces, she's welcome to "go back to Jersey".

I mean, didn't she drive around the block before she decided to move in to see there were none of her beloved Citi Bike racks!

They certainly shouldn't be in front of major stores like a Key Foods, etc where people struggle to get parking for essential purchases, or in all residential neighborhoods where folks either have a car or their own bikes.

They belong only along commercial strips and next to public amenities like public parks and the like. Places where people gather, not where they go for sleep and need to get to sleep which means they have to PARK THEIR CARS.

Too many racks, too fast, and in all the wrong places. Take them out and let's start one step/rack at a time.
Aug. 31, 2016, 8:52 am
Dave from Boerum Hill says:
The community board requested additional racks.

They are being put on public land.

If people are having trouble storing their private property - pay up, there's plenty of garage space.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:01 am
Jamal from BLM says:
More fat whiny complainers. Maybe get rid of your car and ride a bike, might do some good to your out of shape blubber butts.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:01 am
Mike from Slope says:
I used these racks yesterday, and they were highly convenient. People griping about parking spaces should ditch their cars and get a Citibike membership (or just buy their own bike). It's much easier to find parking for a bike. It's healthier to ride a bike. It's safer for pedestrians to ride a bike. It's reduces the chances of our kids getting asthma to ride a bike rather than drive a polluting car.

Unless you have some sort of physical disability, ditch your car. You'll save money and be in better shape.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:04 am
Ed from Park Slope says:
My only complaint is that they took too long to get here - I've been a Citibiker since the first day, and I finally get to use them in my neighborhood and on my own corner on Carroll Street - perfect!
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:32 am
ItsEasyBeingGreen from Sunset Park says:
Each parking space for a car is replaced by ~10 bikeshare spots. Each of those bikeshare bikea is used an average of 5-6 times per day. This isn't taking away, its adding. This is space-efficient transportation for a crowded city.

If people want to free up parking spaces for themselves, suggest residential parking passes to Brad Lander instead. If their neighbors with Pennsylvania and Maryland plates had to pay New York rates or sell their cars, the complainers in this article might have an easier time parking.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:33 am
Simon from Queens says:
"Carroll Street residents had a rude awakening on Monday morning when they went outside to discover [twenty-plus docks for short-term, paying Citibike users] had claimed four [free spaces for long-term storage of private cars] between Fourth and Fifth Avenues."

FTFY
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:34 am
Geck from Park Slope says:
It has been difficult to find parking in (No) Park Slope for a long time, long before a few car parking spot were replaced by Citibike parking spaces. Adding another convenient and efficient transportation option may convince some folks to forgo owning and storing a car on the street. Docking station density is essential to make the system a convenient and desirable form of transportation. Docks need to be conveniently located near the origin and destination of each trip in both residential and commercial areas. Someone will be unhappy with each dock location (and others will be thrilled). Dock location were disclosed and thoroughly vetted through the community board. Stop complaining and get on a bike and ride.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:43 am
Craig from Bushwick says:
They could price the parking spots better in line with supply and demand if they want to ensure that parking is always available.
Aug. 31, 2016, 10:06 am
Ty from pps says:
FOUR spaces! Oh yes, that sure changes the parking dynamic in the neighborhood! Before CitiBike, there was soooooo much parking! Everyone could pretty much instantly find a parking spot, right outside their door. But now that a few dozen parking spots (total) have been removed by over 100 bikes, it's a veritable war zone!

Are people really this dumb?
Aug. 31, 2016, 11:11 am
Boss Tweed from park slope says:
Funny how almost all the new bike racks are west of 7th ave. Wouldn't want to sully up the look of the 'historic' district and impact property values.

Have fun riding your bikes in January.
Aug. 31, 2016, 11:19 am
Vooch from park slope says:
welcome Citibikes !

Next, please start charging $5 per Hour for People to store their private cars on our streets.

Public Roadways are far too valuable to allow people to store their private cars for free.
Aug. 31, 2016, 11:23 am
Nathan from Prospect-Lefferts Garden says:
Apparently some of the more dim-witted residents of Park Slope thought for all this time that the first half of their neighborhood's name referred to spots for their cars rather than public green space!

Seriously though, I could have written this article for you based on current events five years ago. DOT meticulously plans Citi Bike dock with community involvement, dock goes in and some NIMBY —— claims there was zero communication, generic "I'm all for bikes, but..." quote. Cut paste done, progress continues.
Aug. 31, 2016, 12:41 pm
Velma from Park Slope says:
Some people cannot use bicycles. I am elderly and I have to walk with a walker. There is a young man on my floor who is in a wheelchair due to a congenital condition.

I was born in Park Slope, unlike most of you. I am sorry that we are alive for all of you young hipsters who hate me and others my age. Why don't you just come up to my apartment to kill me like you would like to do? Give us Soylent Green or something?

The contempt by the young hipsters to those of us old folks who live here is disgusting. If we smile at you, you are either buried in your phones or just scowl at us. If we try to make small talk that's friendly in a bank or supermarket line, you just snort and look at my walker with disgust.

Why don't you just kill us old folks??? You know you want to!!! Yes, we need to be driven around, so I guess we are useless. We don't buy artisanal this and that, we don't listen to Vampire Weekend, we don't wear the kind of clothes you like, and so we are just supposed to die?

The young hipster bike riders would do to us what Pol Pot did to the Cambodians. They would massacre us old Brooklyn natives after they've made us move to the countryside. All so that they could get rid of our old ugly, decrepit, disgusting bodies and our evil, evil cars.
Aug. 31, 2016, 1:05 pm
Jennifer from Bed Stuy says:
Park Slope is not a public transportation desert. Move to Westchester lady, or be an urbanite and stay.
Aug. 31, 2016, 1:09 pm
Eric from Park Slope says:
Seriously Brooklyn Paper you interviewed an 8 year old kid about parking?

Tell us why we should care what this one rando and her doofus child think? The neighborhood overwhelmingly is in favor of CitiBike. CitiBike is here now - good news!

Parking should be low on the priority list if even on the priority list.
Aug. 31, 2016, 2:16 pm
Jake the Fake from Court Street Lawyer says:
Bike racks and bike lanes are destroying this city. Besides, bikes have no insurance so when I get a client who was hit by a bike I have to claim they fell in a Korean Grocery
Aug. 31, 2016, 2:21 pm
Boss Tweed from park slope says:
Contrary to wishful thinking, longtime residents aren't going to give their cars up. And since garage parking is at least $250/month and up, another liberal "feel good" policy winds up hurting only the poorer among us.

One thing guaranteed to affect all (including bikers) is more congestion/noise/traffic due to longer time spent looking for spots.

Citi bikes are more for tourists anyway. Don't most people own a bike? You can get a used one for cheaper than the annual fee.
Aug. 31, 2016, 3:22 pm
Helen says:
I'll tell you what for all of you single people, I'll just let my kids stand outside screaming in front of your house instead of driving them out to the country for a day. You can't do that on a bike! What am I supposed to strap my three kids on the back of a bike and drive them to relatives in Long Island or to visit my mom in New Jersey? I'm sorry that you seem to think the rest of us can afford plane tickets and train tickets for 5 but we can not and need a card which is the cheapest mode of transportation. Of course we could just stay home and let our kids play in front of your windows all day, hey it's healthier! SUPPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS and end single person narcissism. Hey the world is bigger than just you, who knew? SMH
Aug. 31, 2016, 3:50 pm
Helen says:
And in response to the get out of the neighborhood comment, for the record, I lived there 30 years! So you get out of my neighborhood, not the other way around. How's that for narcissism. Young, single people are out of touch with reality (can't afford Manhattaners so they've taken over Brooklyn, touche to you!). They come and go but us long timers get the brunt end of their trendy needs. Families make up Park Slope! Single people come and go.
Aug. 31, 2016, 3:55 pm
Boss Tweed from park slope says:
Lander and the other reps are going to be flooded with complaints after Labor Day. Permits will be floated as a solution, and while I support them, I think a better idea is to just get rid of alternate side rules on all residential blocks. A few years ago they suspended alternate side for a few months and the neighborhood didn't turn into a dump. It's an utterly pointless service on the non-commercial blocks. Too bad the city is hopelessly addicted to the fine revenue that it generates.
Aug. 31, 2016, 4:05 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Another arbitrary bike rack gets placed and the community is once again snubbed. Of course for the bike zealots, they only support elitism when it's in their favor even though they will claim elitism when it's not. BTW, who was actually for this Citibike station? My guess is was the bike zealots over on Streetsblog who were probably told on some email blast to go there even if they weren't from the community.
Aug. 31, 2016, 4:09 pm
Eric from Park Slope says:
Tal, are you really this f-cking stupid?
Aug. 31, 2016, 4:22 pm
Eric J from Williamsburg says:
Sad!
Aug. 31, 2016, 4:28 pm
Em says:
People who are complaining about how hard it is to find parking should be asking the city to start charging a fee to park. Trust me, it will get easier to find a spot.
Aug. 31, 2016, 4:37 pm
Charles from Bklyn says:
These bike stations take from one non-rich group (middle class car owners) and give to another (middle class non-car owners). Why didn't they put them on the metered spaces on the Avenues? Because that would have taken from the city government. The stations are a good thing. The middle class fighting for the scraps of what's left after the rich developers are given everthing and the middle class nothing. A bad deal. Wake up middle class! The city is taking every thing they can from you for tourists, rich developers and rich people who want your home .
Aug. 31, 2016, 5:25 pm
Tal Barziali from Pleasantville, NY says:
Eric from Park Slope, why do you have to resort to personal attacks like a little child rather than debate the issue like a grown adult?
Aug. 31, 2016, 5:33 pm
ty from pps says:
why was this done without an environmental impact study?
Aug. 31, 2016, 5:58 pm
Josh from Manhattan says:
I have friends who live over there on Carroll and 5th. For all of you complaining about finding a parking garage space, citibike just saved you a space because my car is no longer there when I go visit a couple times a week.

Tal, I've always wondered, why do you spend so much time complaining about Streetsblog? Every moment you have the chance, to malign them and blame them for absolutely everything. But if I remember correctly, you are an unemployed security guard who lives in Westchester. So, isn't arguing against Streetsblog every chance you get and taking up the torch for a city that you don't even live in a bit hypocritical? You think Streetsblog is bringing in people who don't live there to support one side of the argument, yet you jump in full throttle when the most you probably know about that corner comes from Google maps?

Oh, and I watched your interview with the Brooklyn Paper. It was VERY entertaining.
Aug. 31, 2016, 8:33 pm
Josh from Manhattan says:
Sorry, autocorrect... parking space
Aug. 31, 2016, 8:34 pm
Harold from Boerum Hill says:
Park Slope asked for more CitiBike locations. Now they are getting them!

Democracy in action.

The few individual complainers will learn to adjust. They can ask for a refund on their parking if they are unhappy, Oh wait - it's free.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:07 pm
Park Sloper from Park Slope says:
Having many transportation options has prevented me from buying a car. Would this woman prefer we get rid of thinks like Citi Bike? I can buy a car and park it on Carroll St if she wants.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:07 pm
Mike from Park Slope says:
I think the parking hassle complaints are overblown, but to the extent they're not, good. Move to the burbs if you are that addicted to your climate-changing, people-killing giant machinery. The more difficult it is to have one of those hideous things in this city the better.
Aug. 31, 2016, 9:20 pm
Marta from Park Slope says:
I live about a block away and I've been waiting for this station since Citibike announced it a few months ago. I'm very excited that it is here at last. I wish there were many more bike stations in the neighborhood but you have to start somewhere. I prefer bikeshare over using my own bike for getting around the city. The complainers should try it, they might like it more than they expect.
Aug. 31, 2016, 10:52 pm
Sloper from The slope says:
Helen: I walked my kids up to Game Lab this morning for day camp and Citibiked the 12 blocks home. Docked at this very station. Total game-changer for me as a parent. Saved me about 10 or 15 minutes of walking and got me to work on time. Another friend from Carroll Gardens is taking her kid to Game Lab by bus and also Citibiking home now. Way more convenient, fast and pleasant for her and a real game changer. Saves her 20 to 30 minutes. Best of all Citibike takes away absolutely nothing of value from the neighborhood. Why should anyone give a sh-t that three people can no longer store their gigantic private cars on the street for free? How is your free personal automobile storage on public property a benefit to anyone but yourself? Now there are 30 shared public bikes that everyone can use where there was once three cars that could only ever be used by three families. Get a grip. You embarrass yourself with this argument.
Sept. 1, 2016, 2 am
Look at all these chickens! from town says:
This is what the city wants. All of us up in arms fighting one another so they can pretend to be the sympathic heroes. "Jim Dandy" to the rescue.

Simply put, the city is over populated resulting in our diminished quality of life. And the more people they can squeeze in, the more taxes they collect from income tax, increased property tax (for improvement and increased bulk), and sales tax. They are laughing at us all the way to the bank.

So keep squawking at each other while Uncle Sam quietly rips us off of our surplus income while playing god to resolve the mess we're creating for ourselves.

Push out the cars and squeeze in more people, that's what the city wants, all our tax dollars.

And when the fatality rate increases from unprotected street bike accidents, uncle has something called a death tax. So they get us coming and they get us going. We pay either way.

I for one am fortunate enough to have a driveway but feel for those who don't. We all have rights, god forbid we pay enough for them, it's sad we don't get what we pay for.

The question is, why do we fight with each other while supporting a government that doesn't support us?
Sept. 1, 2016, 5:34 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Owning a car is not how a typical New Yorker lives. Real New Yorkers take public transportation, walk, or bike. Nearly 60% of households in Park Slope don't have a car. That's easy to forget because we let the well-off car owners store their private property in public space for free, so their private property dominates our experience when we're outside. But car owners are a minority and not typical of real New Yorkers.
Sept. 1, 2016, 7:14 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
Forgotten in all this is that the city will not let builders add garage space, making parking spaces equal to mortgage payments, tilting the supply and demand.
Sept. 1, 2016, 8:20 am
Kelly from Sea Cliff says:
So four whole spots represents the tipping point between everybody in the neighborhood being able to park their cars, and everybody in the neighborhood having to "circle and circle" to find one?

And the nerve of the Citibike program, dispersing the docks at reasonably convenient intervals so that the system is actually useful . . .
Sept. 1, 2016, 9:58 am
Nathan Noland from Clinton Hill says:
Parking personal property on city land for free is a luxury. Car ownership is a luxury. If you want to own and drive a car and you don't want to be inconvenienced by people who use citibikes -- pay for a space at a lot. Biking is the way I get around Brooklyn, and having citibikes finally expand that way means I can more easily go to shops and restaurants in those blocks. Biking is better than cars on every level in NYC. There needs to be a lot less cars on NYC streets. People are wasteful and lazy.
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:04 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
It is so much fun to see the Marxist "storing personal property" talking point defending Big Banking of Citbank becasue they tossed you a crumb with their bike racks.
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:09 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Rufus, there's nothing "Marxist" about those of us who want to use market forces to allocate scarves resources. You also don't find anyone defending Citi, the bank, here. You have to misread the whole argument though because it's hard for you to defend the core principles behind your argument.
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:13 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
*scarce resources
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:14 am
Tony from Carroll gardens says:
What happens when the newbies get old & disabled? Will they move back to pennsyltucky? One can only hope.
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:30 am
Rob from Caroll Gardens says:
It's disappointing to read such negative, and maybe even abusive comments from fellow Brooklynites. I myself was born and raised in Brooklyn and while I support citibikes, I think it's poor planning on the city to place them so close together and in areas where parking is already difficult. And by the way, some people actually HAVE to drive. I work in the housing sector and travel to shelters throughout the boroughs, trying to be a nice human being and all. And guess what? A car is required. So please stop the hate and realize everyone is simply trying to have less complicated days. Good for you if you benefit from the bikes, truly. But a little empathy for the people who aren't benefitting probably won't hurt you.
Sept. 1, 2016, 11:01 am
look at all these chickens! from town says:
Go Rob from the Gardens!

And before there were cars, there were horse and wagons for which THE STREETS WERE MADE, not bikes, and cars replaced the horse and wagon thus making streets now for cars! Case and point.

So while bikes can be used on streets, let's remember why the streets are there in the first place.

Note that if those racks had the bikes in alternating positions, they'd take up half the space. They are being made to take up twice the space so that Cities Bike gets twice the advertising space all on the tax payers dime.
Sept. 1, 2016, 12:15 pm
Joshua from Bay Ridge says:
Another example of great community solidarity, people in NYC don't want bikes here, don't want racks. Please stop forcing your anti-democratical view on peaceful residents, remove the bike racks. Stop harrasing the community, stop using public place to store private owned business bikes.
Sept. 1, 2016, 12:25 pm
JEP from Park Slope says:
"I'm sorry that you seem to think the rest of us can afford plane tickets and train tickets for 5 but we can not and need a card which is the cheapest mode of transportation."
An off peak ticket to Zone 10 on the LIRR can be as low as $11.27, kids under 5 ride free, and ages 5-11 are $1 each. But yeah, the cost of a car payment, insurance, gas, repairs, is much cheaper.
Sept. 1, 2016, 12:28 pm
Joshua from Bay Ridge says:
And forgot to mention - another example of 'loving and peaceful' hipsters, that's true discrimination, worse than all the fake problems you're fighting with, discriminating people who can't use bikes to go to work, who can't use bikes to do the groceries. People are not using cars because they believe in some propaganda or agenda or ideology like you do according to bikes, they use them because they need them. Is it so hard for you to understand? You're truly discriminating people and you're the untolerant, racist ones, forcing their ideology on people - no, it's not the Christians you think.
Sept. 1, 2016, 12:30 pm
2 3= too many says:
Sweetheart Helen, Show a little respect for the rest of humanity and nature, encourage your kids not to repeat your mistake, take, take, take, take, take
Sept. 1, 2016, 1:22 pm
MH from Prospect Heights says:
Why do people who are wealthy enough to own a car in NYC feel so entitled to free storage in public space? Maybe I'll just pitch a tent in a parking space outside these people's house and live there, I don't see why I have less right to do that than they have to store their private car there.

Also, did someone above really ask about the environmental impact of replacing automobile infrastructure with bicycle infrastructure above? Was that meant as a joke?

The only problem with Citibike is that they're not expanding fast enough. The irony is that one reason its been so slow is that they spend so much time doing community outreach before placing stations. This just shows they should skip that step altogether because people are going to complain no matter what they do, may as well just let professional planners decide.
Sept. 1, 2016, 1:53 pm
Pat from Park Slope says:
No please, person who lives in a five million dollar brownstone, tell me some more about how hard your life is and why you don't want to pay a few hundred dollars for a garage or walk a few blocks to a NYCHA lot?
Sept. 1, 2016, 1:55 pm
Rob from Carroll Gardens says:
Friendly attempt at reasoning here, again. NYCHA does not offer free parking, but does in fact have parking lots, because even low-income residents in our wonderful city might require or even choose cars as their mode of transportation. Cars aren't only for the rich. And bikers aren't the only people who believe in helping the environment. I'm not sure when this bike versus car feud started in NY, and how mass generalizations about environmental beliefs or income disparities can be made based on a person's chosen form of transportation. I need a car, because my work in the city requires it. My work also does not make me rich. It does make me tired and hopeful for easy parking after work. And I appreciate public transportation on weekends. Again, generalizations, assumptions and hate filled comments about "hipsters' or "millionaires" or people wanting to kill the planet sure doesn't seem to be neighborly or kind.
Sept. 1, 2016, 2:06 pm
Mr. Freeze from Park Slope says:
Next time there's a blizzard and cars all over the neighborhood are encased in ice for six weeks, tell us again how important it is to be able to drive.

Citi Bike 4 Ever!
Sept. 1, 2016, 2:56 pm
Dave from Boerum Hill says:
Rob,

With all due respect hoping for "free and easy parking" in a high density urban area is entitlement. The majority of people throughout NYC do not drive and that becomes a vast majority here in more transit rich parts of Brooklyn and into Manhattan.

That said
-There is nothing necessarily wrong with owning a car.
-There is nothing wrong with "needing" a car. Your private reason is your own business.

But there is something absolutely wrong (and not "neighborly") if you feel your need to store that car on a public street outweighs the needs of the majority of your neighbors.The street is public property and now with CitiBike it's once again being used for the public.

Net Summary: If people want "free and easy" parking this is not the right area for them to be living in. There's even other parts of NYC where "free and easy parking" is quite possible. Just not transit rich and bike heavy parts of the borough.

It sounds harsh but it's reality.
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:01 pm
Philip from Astoria says:
I'm with Dave from Boerum Hill on this one.

Many of us aren't griping about the environmental concerns associated with your (gluttonous) SUV. Or concern is getting to work, to run our errands, to meet our friends or family for dinner, and an automobile isn't practical for so many of us, for various reasons that have already been mentioned here.

And the MTA keeps failing us, and getting progressively worse, and they've spent almost 4 years since Hurricane Sandy doing the bare minimum to fix some major, and preexisting flaws. Now we are facing a new round of years long closures and track improvements in many different boros across almost all subway lines.

And now many of us have come to rely on bikes. And many more will in the coming years, because, as you vehicle owners have stated, there's already no room to park a car on the streets, and if the subway system is unreliable, we absolutely need that third form of transportation to be plentiful and convenient.
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:35 pm
Rob from Carroll Gardens says:
Hey Dave,

I'm absolutely not referring to entitlement, and only chose to comment due to the lack of kindness amongst the commenters. My point is, everyone chooses their own form of transportation, and assumptions regarding income or feelings of entitlement or feelings about the environment, due to choices or needs, is ludicrous. Citi bikes are great because they will help non-drivers get around. However, I don't believe anyone should be bashed for their choices. My point in sharing my reasons for a car was to note that not only the very wealthy or entitled keep cars. I appreciate you responding with respect. Hoping to see a bit more like this from others on this post.
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:39 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
The comments are commical and detached from reality
I have two cars
One here and one at my weekend place for my wife to tool around in over the summer
We choose to drive for our convenience and that will not change
Ride a bike if you like - yes ee have those as well
I chuckle whenver i hear anout pvt property in public space - kiddies that is not going to change
Citi bike is a great idea especially for the free advertising it givrs one of the biggest sob banks in the world
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:57 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Awaiting the self righteous chest thumping :)
Sorry for typos - texting from my phone
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:59 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I just want to set the record straight for those who see view us motorists as being evil. I have nothing against those that want to ride bicycles and I'm not trying to get them off the road either. All I just want is for them to be more respectful to others and follow the traffic laws. Is that really something hard for them to do? Personally, I don't see a reason for these Citibike stations and like the bike lanes, they will most likely be seen as a waste of space once winter arrives, because I doubt that most will be riding their bicycles in the snow. As for the anti-car bias, some of us drive because where some of tend to go, a car is the more efficient way of getting to those said places than riding a bicycle or using mass transit. I really suggest that the bike zealots and other anti-car fanatics fail to look at the causes rather than the effects to why some of us choose to drive. To claim about demanding free storage for driving a car, we motorist pay a lot of taxes and fees and they aren't even subsidized, so we are paying quite a lot and I didn't even mention for the roads we drive on, not to mention we do pay a good percentage of mass transit just to keep your fares low. BTW, housing projects and apartments that include parking don't give them for free and the residents and/or tenants using them have to pay something for them. On a side note, I drive a Honda Civic, which is very energy efficient, and I only have to fill up the tank every other week. Overall, just like you guys have the right to ride a bicycle, we have the right to drive a car as democracy can work in both ways here. One other thing, not everyone can ride a bicycle and that could be due to health concerns, so bike sharing won't work for everybody.
Sept. 1, 2016, 3:59 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
It's very rude of able-bodied motorists to take up all the parking spaces, causing elderly people like Velma inconvenience. Someday you're going to be old and it's going to be hard to get around. Quit acting so entitled now.

To make my point explicit: mobility for seniors and the disabled is a very real issue. But it's ridiculous the way younger able-bodied motorists take that real issue and leap directly to "bikes shouldn't be on roads, but we should not have to sacrifice any free parking." It's you guys who are making it hard for Velma up there to get around.
Sept. 1, 2016, 5:12 pm
Fred from Ditmas Park says:
I'm not a fan of Citibike or bike lanes in general. However, it was never easy to find a parking space in Park Slope. I can't understand why anyone who wants to own a car lives there. The removal of 4 or 5 spaces won't make an appreciable difference.
Sept. 1, 2016, 5:15 pm
Travis from Brooklyn Heights says:
I suggest Helen's home be turned into a parking garage.
Sept. 1, 2016, 5:47 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Not a thing wrong with owning a car period
What is wrong is the obnoxious attitudes
Sept. 1, 2016, 5:53 pm
Travis from Brooklyn Heights says:
I've not an attitude problem. You've a perception problem.

Cars and big families are bad news.
Sept. 1, 2016, 6:18 pm
Josh from Manhattan says:
Tal,

Of course you are going to choose to drive a car - You live in Westchester. Most people who live in Westchester NEED a car to survive in the suburbs, unless you live downtown in one of the larger burbs. But this is New York City that we are talking about, the place that you do not live, and where the majority of residents don't have a car because very very few truly need one. (Let's not forget the difference between need and want that we had to learn as toddlers - most people who claim they need a car could actually live without it, they just don't want to.) Seriously, man, we don't go getting all worked up about the political machine of Pleasantville. You have no idea what kind of public notice was given because you are dozens of highway miles away. You have no right to speak for the people of Brooklyn because you are not from Brooklyn. Even if there are some Brooklynites who support your hated Streetsblog, or Transportation Alternatives, who both have real stakes in the community while you do not.

And to directly address your comment, most cyclists just want automobile drivers to be more respectful of others and obey all the traffic laws. And I am not some bike zealot. I own and drive a car.

As for your taxes comment, you might want to research that a bit. We pay taxes on gasoline that cover some of the upkeep costs of roads, but only some, and it even the majority. A huge portion of road money comes from the general fund which is paid by everyone who pays taxes. So thosent without card actually have more of a right to go after those of us with cars to pay our fair share, since they are paying both federal, state, and city taxes for roads that they don't use. I firmly believe that all road costs should be covered by the gasoline tax. But since it is not, non drivers are actually subsidizing all of us who do drive.
Sept. 1, 2016, 7:09 pm
Dennis from Prospect Heights says:
The sense of entitlement of these motorists is breathtaking. You do not have a constitutional right to free parking on a public street! If you love your car so much, move to New Jersey, there is lots of parking there.
Sept. 1, 2016, 8:01 pm
Chris from Grew up in Brooklyn says:
No requirement of a due process hearing on every public issue. As a young person and now as an old person, I have had more than my share of scary encounters with bikes and cars. They should both be banned fromNYC. There are cabs, buses and subways. AND WALKING. Power to the pedestrians!
Sept. 1, 2016, 8:50 pm
Helen says:
So basically they're saying hey people with kids who need to go to sports programs and supermarkets, screw you! Grab a bike, stick your 3 kids on back and everyone balance 6 grocery bags. They're catering to the hipsters who don't stay in the area long and not the people who make up the heart of the neighborhood for decades. Add to that that driving around in circles for hours (especially when it snows and the bikes are not being used) is hardly kind to the environment. So they basically did absolutely nothing to help the environment by making people drive around for hours looking for parking. If anything, they've made it worse. Stop catering to people who aren't going to be in the neighborhood for more than a few years and support those families who call it home! How narcissistic of these young people to assume that people with children can just hop on bicycles and take several children to practices in different areas or visit grandma in New Jersey or grocery shop for that matter. Young people are ridiculously self centered these days, it's dismaying at their lack of understanding of the rest of the world.
Sept. 1, 2016, 10:26 pm
Karl from Park Slope says:
Oh hey, I live on this block and often park my car on it. Yeah parking is a drag sometimes, but citibike will only help in the long run. It replaces a single car (often mostly unused) with 7 or 8 bikes that can be used by multiple people each day. Good for those who can bike, and those who have to rely on cars.
Sept. 1, 2016, 11:11 pm
Magda from Park Slope says:
I grew up in this city without the use of a car. Mind boggling isn't it?
Sept. 2, 2016, 9:09 am
ty from pps says:
but you need a credit card for Citibike - it does not help the poor who have no credit cards or photo id for voting.
Sept. 2, 2016, 9:34 am
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Not a thing wrong with a big family
One of eleven and thirty eight first cousins
Also grew up in brooklyn without a car but now we have two and love my free parking
Sept. 2, 2016, 9:56 am
Travis from Brooklyn Heights says:
And where do those 38 park their cars?
Sept. 2, 2016, 12:51 pm
Bekka from Carroll Gardens says:
I think this article missed the point of bringing more bikes to Park Slope and Carroll Gardens. Bikes are the future of cities. New York's population continues to grow and soon enough we will reach car capacity in this city. The infrastructure for the public transit system can't grow fast enough to keep up with the population growth either. Unless some massive change in the price of fossil fuels, this generation of New Yorkers probably won't see sweeping change in the way we choose to transport ourselves, but it will happen eventually. Any city that prioritizes bikes and pedestrians over cars will come out ahead in the next fifty to a hundred years. I think, being upset about losing some parking spaces is selfish and short-sighted. Everyone with a car should just give a Citi bike (or personal bike) a test-run. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
Sept. 2, 2016, 12:57 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Travis - they park them wherever they please
Sept. 2, 2016, 1:22 pm
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
Bekka - Sounds like Agenda 21 - Get on the bus Comrade!
Sept. 2, 2016, 1:47 pm
NattyB from SouthSlope says:
I even saw a few kids using them in Cobble Hill this morning.
Sept. 2, 2016, 2:44 pm
NattyB from SouthSlope says:
Helen,

I have a kid. I bike mostly around the Slope. I've got bags that fit well on the back frame of my bike for groceries. I can carry my kid with a baby carrier or a different rack. Or, don't tell anyone this, but sometimes I order PeaPod for delivery groceries. Stop using your kids as an excuse.

The lifestyle you're describing would be perfect on Long Island. We can't all expect to be able to driver everywhere it being convenient. If you want convenient driving/parking then please move. I even use Zipcar quite a bit.
Sept. 2, 2016, 2:59 pm
Laura from not a park sloper says:
You know why I'm happy to have citibike in Park Slope? Because it means that instead of circling my own neighborhood looking for parking I can expand my search to park slope and park my car there (1x week street cleaning! the luxury!) and bike home, saving me 3 additional days during the week of having to move my car ;)
Sept. 2, 2016, 3:03 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
A great plus to free street parking is that if you have a driveway you rent it out to someone and park your own car in the street pretty much paying yourself to do it
Hard to do in the slope but lots do it in flatbush and bay ridge
The moral is to make tgat private driveway pay and make it worthwhile to take full asvantage of parking yor private property in public space
Sept. 2, 2016, 3:20 pm
Dmc from Park slop says:
You all talking about private storage in public spaces. What about all the bike racks taking up space on the sidewalks? Where you store your precious bikes.? Same thing. Cut the BS I am all for the Citibike program just not the over kill no need for one on every other block. Put them on the sidewalks which they did already in a few places.
Sept. 2, 2016, 5:14 pm
Dmc from Park Slop says:
And to those self absorbed cyclists and the one with ONE child kudos for you for riding your bikes and creating more havoc on the roads. Cyclists should have to have their bikes registered and insured like motorists and for those who use Citibike required to have insurance also. They do not know how to ride trust me I have had to dodge quite a few already crossing at the crosswalk and having the right of way. Why should you all get off Scott free
Sept. 2, 2016, 5:53 pm
Trollerskates from Moving Target says:
When bikes cause an asthma epidemic, then you can start worrying about where they are stored. All you self absorbed, planet killing, murdering car owners can keep on crying, because your cars are on their way out.
Sept. 2, 2016, 6:09 pm
Dmc from Park slop says:
Troll is right moron look who is talking self absorbed I wiped better than you off my shoe and by th be way I WALK most places no need to use a Citibike and make big brother richer get a grip
Sept. 2, 2016, 6:19 pm
Old tome brooklyn from Slope says:
Betting a lot of peeps here do not have gf's
Sept. 2, 2016, 9:21 pm
anti-streetsblogs from worst pr bike co, nyc says:
open your eyes. streetsblogs overzealous people should stfu and move to Mars
Sept. 2, 2016, 11:37 pm
Onki from Park Slope says:
These comments once again convince me that the Park Slope community comprises of spoiled, rich, selfish residents. They call themselves progressive democrats, but they really have their very own agenda in mind. Please open your eyes, and let everyone have a little something - let the Coney Islanders have their express F-train, and let people that cannot afford neither. a plane ticket nor a car, have their bicycles. Why don't you rather be concerned about the real estate development that is happening at the moment at the boarder of the historic district. Developers that kick the elderly out of their homes, and build nothing but luxury condominiums, that not even many of the rich PS residents would be able to afford. That really will have a deep impact on the neighborhood - and not in a good way. At least not for citizens with a working class income. This is in my view something that people should be concerned about and be alert of.
Sept. 3, 2016, 10:31 am
Dad from Carroll Street says:
As I see it, the issues with Citi bike station begin with the fact that they are a government-backed business but don't wisely use the spaces in front of fire hydrants. A firehose could could easily be laid between those bikes to a hydrant in the event of a fire, while also stoping vehicles from accidentally being ticketed because they are parked too close the hydrant. That would also help tax-paying residents from having to deal with less parking on their blocks. I think folks who buy homes should have some right to find a spot on their block. But Carroll Street also has to contend with an auto repair businesses (ABC) on 4th Ave that, even with their own garage, decides to park their customer's bashed-up cars on Carroll Street (A commercial business taking up residential - legal? ) and with new homes now being sold on the block, the pressure to find parking on the block is ridiculous.

Finally, 5th Ave is overdue for changes that will prevent bike accidents. As it is, I see deliver guys and parents dodging car doors or parked commercial trucks. Pedestrians are becoming obstacles for biker on 5th Ave too.

Finally, the decision by Community Board 6 to allow so many Citi Bikes station was made before Park Slope saw an explosion of new development, and so the consequences were not fully appreciated. Also, the solar panel on Carroll Street station is facing a building - if it were planned with more local input, it would have known about this.

The most pressing carbon footprint issue that NYC has to deal with is building -they are the most inefficient, but the city has a good start plan (80X50) in place for this.
Sept. 3, 2016, 10:57 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
"Tal,

Of course you are going to choose to drive a car - You live in Westchester. Most people who live in Westchester NEED a car to survive in the suburbs, unless you live downtown in one of the larger burbs. But this is New York City that we are talking about, the place that you do not live, and where the majority of residents don't have a car because very very few truly need one. (Let's not forget the difference between need and want that we had to learn as toddlers - most people who claim they need a car could actually live without it, they just don't want to.) Seriously, man, we don't go getting all worked up about the political machine of Pleasantville. You have no idea what kind of public notice was given because you are dozens of highway miles away. You have no right to speak for the people of Brooklyn because you are not from Brooklyn. Even if there are some Brooklynites who support your hated Streetsblog, or Transportation Alternatives, who both have real stakes in the community while you do not."

Josh, where one lives doesn't mean that they have more of a say or that their need outweighs anyone else's needs. Since you live in Manhattan, where do you get to have a say on something Brooklyn while trying to censor me just for living in Pleasantville, which I tend to find ironic? I hate to break this to, but not everyone can ride a bicycle, plus some can't afford to live in areas where a car isn't needed, which I happen to be of that group unlike you, who can live in luxurious island known as Manhattan. As for Streetsblog and Transportation Alternatives, the same thing I say about you applies to them, and I have read their websites, which shows that they do have an anti-car bias and they don't even hide it, which is similar to the Electronic Intifada especially showing their anti-Israel biases.

"And to directly address your comment, most cyclists just want automobile drivers to be more respectful of others and obey all the traffic laws. And I am not some bike zealot. I own and drive a car."

I won't argue with you on motorists that are flouting traffic laws and I to feel that something should be done about it. However, this doesn't excuse cyclists from flouting the laws. Every time I ask them why they feel that it's wrong to follow the traffic laws, they tend to cry foul on that as well as acting like victims to the rules. Sorry Josh, but two wrongs to make a right. It would be nice if your kind did practice what they preach rather than acting as if they feel that they are always holier than thou.

"As for your taxes comment, you might want to research that a bit. We pay taxes on gasoline that cover some of the upkeep costs of roads, but only some, and it even the majority. A huge portion of road money comes from the general fund which is paid by everyone who pays taxes. So thosent without card actually have more of a right to go after those of us with cars to pay our fair share, since they are paying both federal, state, and city taxes for roads that they don't use. I firmly believe that all road costs should be covered by the gasoline tax. But since it is not, non drivers are actually subsidizing all of us who do drive."

Josh, all forms of transportation are subsidized. By your logic, maybe it will be better if none of them are. Then again, it would mean that you would have to pay higher fares when using the subways and buses. However, there is more proof that mass transit is much more subsidized than driving is especially by those who have little to no access it. Keep in mind that the MTA collects taxes from all counties in downstate NY, not just from NYC itself. In other words, where's my mass transit since I'm paying so much taxes to that agency when so much of it is going to where I don't even live? Now you know why your group lost on any form of road pricing or tolling, because we motorists are just tired of shilling for you staphangers. As for your claim on how driving is subsidized, just the infrastructure that is being used such as highways, roads, and crossings are, but the vehicles themselves along with the fees aren't, and they increase almost annually along with the gas tax and tolls, which none are subsidized either and the even go to other things that aren't even their intended uses that explains why they go up so much rather than just making it go where it's supposed to go so that it wouldn't be raised so high. Last thing, when fares increase, they only go up in quarters while tolls and gas taxes go up much higher than that.
Sept. 4, 2016, 4:04 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
"When bikes cause an asthma epidemic, then you can start worrying about where they are stored. All you self absorbed, planet killing, murdering car owners can keep on crying, because your cars are on their way out."

First of all, what are smoking, Trollerskates? Then again whatever it is, I don't want it. Nevertheless, your statement doesn't excuse your group from flouting the laws yourselves, so start practicing what you preach and cut the double standards. It seems as you bike zealots are the ones that are self-absorbed and feel as if they are always above the laws in so many ways. Perhaps it's time that you start taking off the rose colored glasses that you many of you bike zealot friends are wearing and starting seeing the world for what it really is. As for going green, this isn't limited to one thing such as riding a bicycle. Taking public transportation and walking is going green as well. Even driving a car that happens to be electric, hybrid, or even energy efficient is going green, but your group will hate this because it's still driving a car despite saving a lot fuel and not being a gas guzzler. Again, your statement doesn't give a reason to why you cyclists are allowed to flout the traffic laws while motorists must be subject to every letter of them hence the Animal Farms reference.
Sept. 5, 2016, 4:50 pm
Yes, Moron There is Transit from In Westchester Count says:
Tal,

FYI

http://as0.mta.info/mnr/stations/station_detail.cfm?key=146
Sept. 6, 2016, 3:39 pm
New to the block from Park Slope says:
I love the Citibike program and it has shaved 10 minutes off my commute home from Manhattan. I can now take a bike instead of transferring to the R and there is a dock conveniently close to my apartment. I hope they continue to improve the bike lanes and make it safer for cars, bikers and pedestrians to safely co-exist.

Biking is an important part of city infrastructure whether people like it or not. Even if you don't bike yourselves you are taking advantage of this infrastructure if you order food deliveries that *wow* show up in 20-45 minutes.

Today there are more mobility options in Brooklyn than ever. Uber, Lyft, Zipcar, Car2Go are all viable new options in addition to the municipal buses and subway system.

We should welcome all the new transportation options and not divide the community over a few dozen lost public parking spots.
Sept. 6, 2016, 3:41 pm
Dmc from PARK SLOP says:
New to the block I am all for the program it is the overkill I am against. No need for dozens on every other street frankly it's ugly and not just taking up parking for residents, it's the dangerous way the users are utilizing them.
Sept. 6, 2016, 5:31 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I guess the bike zealots really are cowards if they have to use alter egos and make impersonations of me rather than discussing the issue like mature adults, which I doubt they are.
Sept. 6, 2016, 7:59 pm
Dmc from PARK SLOP says:
Tal,

There is something seriously wrong with you, get help. God bless.
Sept. 7, 2016, 8:49 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Dmc, those comments you just saw yesterday weren't done by me, they were done by someone who impersonated me. I would most likely say by those cowardly bike zealots who only want to hear themselves talk. I would never say such things as to what they are saying, which really shows how much they like to cross boundaries and stoop so low. For the record, I wasn't even at my computer yesterday either as I was out of the house pretty much the entire day especially when I went to the city last night for a Liberty game and even got to see a special retirement ceremony for Swin Cash, who is currently on the Liberty, that was after the game.
Sept. 8, 2016, 4:16 pm
Dan from Prospect Park says:
I don't understand why everyone is so mad.

If more people take trips using Citibikes, that means there's more parking available for cars.

Less cars == Less cars parked on the street.

Math!
Sept. 8, 2016, 8:02 pm
Ryan from Cobble Hill says:
I own a car out of necessity, have a new Citibike station on my street taking up four spaces and just had to spend 45 minutes to find a parking spot. I don't use Citibike since I have my own.

And … I strongly support the Citibike expansion.
Sept. 9, 2016, 8:21 am
NattyB from South Slope says:
@ Ryan -- Respect!

@ NewtotheBlock -- same here. I usually switch to the R at Atlantic and I hate the wait. Yesterday, I took citibike down 5th ave and also made a bunch of stops and shopped too! If I took the train, I would've gone straight home.
Sept. 9, 2016, 2:21 pm
Tyson White from UWS says:
Quite hilarious! The whole point of the program is that the docks are not too far from each other! lol
Sept. 28, 2016, 11:04 am
Steve from Bayridge says:
I am all for bikes but they need to stop at red lights like we have to.Also have insurance and plates so if you hit a pedestrian or a vehicle you can pay for the damage. I pay 50 cents on every gallon of gas , My registration is 200.00 dollars a year, My inspection is 37.00 a year. We pay to use the streets also ticket revenue Red light and speed cameras. I really can't pull construction material and tools on a bike.
June 27, 2017, 4:33 pm

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