Riders want more F trains if the transit auhtority revives F express


Ripple F-ect: Riders: MTA must add more trains if it brings back F express

Let ‘em stay put: Residents in Brownstone Brooklyn say the F train's express tracks should not come out of retirement unless the transportation authority adds more trains to the line.
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Tangerine, she is folly they claim.

Brownstone Brooklynites living along the tangerine-colored F line will not support a push to reintroduce express service unless the cash-strapped Metropolitan Transportation Authority increases service along route, say commuters who use stations the train would skip as it jets between Coney Island and Manhattan.

“I would be in favor of the express if there was an increase in trains,” said Erika Chiu, who lives in Carroll Gardens and uses Carroll Street station — which the express would pass by — to get to Manhattan. “If not, it would kind of suck.”

A former transportation authority bookkeeper says the publicly-funded agency doesn’t have the money to add more trains to the line, though, so F riders who don’t live along express stops will be left waiting as the orange bullet whizzes by.

The F express used to quickly shuttle Brooklynites between Coney Island and Manhattan, skipping stops in brownstone Brooklyn except Bergen Street in Cobble Hill and Seventh Avenue in Park Slope, but the authority cut it more than 30 years ago to save money.

Now the transportation authority is considering bringing back the rapid ride to and from the People’s Playground. It completed a study on reviving the service last year but is refusing to release the paper until its president signs off on it.

Supporters of the F express argue it will relieve congestion during peak hours when trains — which run every four to six minutes — are so crowded that many straphangers can’t get on and are forced to wait for other trains to arrive.

Councilman Brad Lander (D–Cobble Hill) said he’s in favor of the F express as long as the transportation authority adds more trains along the line, but a rep refused to comment on whether he would offer his support to speedy service sans more trains, dismissing it as a hypothetical he did not want to get into.

Another Carroll Gardens resident who has worked to bring back the F express said the entire service’s success depends on adding more trains to the line.

“The key to it is you need to increase the level of service to make it work,” said rider and Community Board 6 member Gary Reilly, who catches the subway at Carroll Street and once campaigned for the area’s City Council seat advocating for the F express. “You have to make sure you maintain a level of service and people are not going to see the service suffer.”

A rep for the transportation authority refused to comment on the F express route and if it would add more trains to the service, but said it will have more information on the logistics of the service in the near future.

Reach reporter Lauren Gill at or by calling (718) 260–2511. Follow her on Twitter @laurenk_gill
Updated 10:17 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from Bed-Stuy, BK, NY, USA says:
Right now, the biggest priority for the MTA is to secure $7.3B of a reliable source for funding for the MTA 2015-2019 Capital Plan by June 30, just to tackle deferred maintenance, enhanced service and expand service. Otherwise, the overall regional economy will go down the drain.
April 1, 2016, 8:04 am
Paul from Sheepshead Bay says:
What I find most offensive about the F line is that intermittent practice of making the last stop in Brooklyn Kings Highway. I've gotten no adequate explanation for this time wasting practice from MTA personnel. They arrogantly tell me "it's just the schedule". There is no logical explanation for this waste of my time, having to WAIT another 7 to 10 minutes for a train going further to Coney Island. I'm disgusted with the MTA and their endless time butchering practices.
April 1, 2016, 10:52 am
Steve from Boerum Hill says:
Need to restore Bergen Street as an express stop if they do this. Bergen Street used to be an express stop, but would need some restoration if express service is restored.
April 1, 2016, 11:09 am
Andy Salcedo from East New York says:
If they're considering bringing the F Express, they should consider the G going back to 71st - Continental as alternate service too.
April 1, 2016, 11:20 am
jjm from c. hill says:
@andy, or at least let it terminate at queens plaza. im tired of taking that walk to transfer to the e at court square.
April 1, 2016, 1:50 pm
joe shabadoo from windsor terrace says:
Making the F express just means expresses would be cutting the line of local trains pulling into/out of Jay Street. Even with more trains, you'd probably have a slower ride.

@Paul At least during the AM rush they stop CI-bound trains at Kings Highway to turn them around and supplement service to Manhattan. Not sure if you're experiencing it at other times of day.
April 4, 2016, 9:38 am
AMH from Harlem says:
This is what I've been saying, and I suspect it's not possible without cutting M service. Also @joe shabadoo is right that merging would likely cause delays. As for turning trains at Kings Hwy, that's likely to maintain service levels on the busiest portion of the line, since the terminal can't always handle every train at rush hour. It can also be done to put trains in the yard after rush hour. It's why some 4 trains turn at Burnside, some 1 trains at 238 St, some 6 trains at Parkchester, some D trains at Bay Pkwy, some L trains at Myrtle-Wyckoff, etc.
April 4, 2016, 11:20 am
Rob from NY says:
The "cash-strapped Metropolitan Transportation Authority" is broke b/c Governor Cuomo won't give it cash, but will give upstate sprawl roads $27 billion.

Get a quote from Governor Cuomo. He and NY STATE controls the MTA, not the mayor or city council. The next best thing is a State Senator or State Assembly Member.
April 4, 2016, 11:41 am

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