Mayor had vowed to block the Two Trees mega-development unless more below-market-rate units were added

City planners OK latest Domino pitch

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City planners unanimously approved Two Trees Management’s Domino Sugar factory redevelopment plan this morning.

The City Planning Commission’s approval came less than 48 hours after the developer reached a last-minute deal with Mayor DeBlasio to increase the number of so-called “affordable” units in the five-building Domino Sugar factory complex from 660 to 700. Two Trees bigs were elated at having cleared the bureaucratic hurdle to making its five-building, 2,300-unit waterfront complex a reality.

“We are relieved, we are proud, and we are excited and we cannot wait to start work,” said Dave Lombino, the developer’s head of special projects.

DeBlasio had threatened to sink the project unless the builder added more cheap digs.

The project is the first major development proposal to come across the mayor’s desk and DeBlasio had demanded that Two Trees increase the amount of so-called “affordable housing” from 500,000 square feet of the 2.28 million square feet of floor space in the luxury complex, or 660 units of 2,300, to 550,000 square feet. The developer ultimately agreed to a total of 610,000 square feet, or 700 units.

At first, Two Trees balked, saying it could not afford to put in any more low-rent accommodations.

“We are very concerned that the demands being imposed by the city will make us unable to finance the project and move forward with it at all — costing working families in Williamsburg badly needed affordable housing, open space, and jobs,” Two Trees head Jed Walentas originally said.

The development plan by the previous owner of the land at the foot of the Williamsburg Bridge reserved just 440 units, or 410,000 square-feet of 2.44 million, for below-market-rate apartments. And because the city has already okayed that proposal, Walentas has vowed to revert to it if he does not get his way.

Neighborhood activists said they were glad that DeBlasio put Two Trees’ feet to the fire.

“If the mayor just rubber-stamps this one and moves along, everyone else is going to expect the same deal,” said Neil Sheehan, head of the anti-substance-abuse Outreach Project.

The Council is supposed to vote on the project within 50 days.

Reach reporter Danielle Furfaro at or by calling (718) 260-2511. Follow her at
Updated 10:17 pm, July 9, 2018: Information about planning commission vote added.
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Reasonable discourse

K says:
I wish I didn't work as hard in life to get on an 'affordable' housing list.
March 2, 2014, 1:37 am
Charles from Bklyn says:
The comment above is idiotic. If we want affordable housing for working people, this is what needs to happen. The cost to tax payers of these developments is extensive, including crowded schools, police and fire, sewer, etc. Time to ask something from a group that has taken so much.
March 2, 2014, 9:14 am
Dot from Daaaassshhh says:
Messing with the market!

Horray for Bolshevik Bill!
March 2, 2014, 9:18 am
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Excellent start. This is why he was voted in. Although this will not stop gentrification it will at least stop using low & middle income people as something to be gotten out of the way.
March 2, 2014, 9:38 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Aren't there better locations for welfare housing?
March 2, 2014, 10:27 am
bkmanhatman from nubrooklyn says:
Why should the city be beholden to the interest of the REITS, the developers, and foreign hedge fund managers?
Seriously it makes sense to accord families housing units of two bedrooms at least as oppose to the studios and one bedrooms that the developers were only allocating to affordable housing.
And you people make it like its some MacDonald's worker who's getting the two bed room housing unit. it will go to some families of dual income, teachers, municipal workers, cops or firefighters.
It is preposterous - FU greedy scumbags.
one does not necessarily profit from luxury buyers one can profit from the middle class.
March 2, 2014, 10:58 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Well. I don't know where you mooks have been, and now you come out asking for a handout. The Chooch had 30 years to buy his buildings, which he got for bubkes when the place was a sewer. And you talk all day about how you're "from" Brooklyn, but you never figured this one out. Don't know what to tell you mookie.
March 2, 2014, 11:36 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I am glad that de Blasio is pushing for more affordable housing, which is what he was voted for in the first place. He cares a lot for the hard working by doing such an act. I can't understand why some are so against this. Of course, I would find it ironic if they didn't mind their tax dollars going to help the rich like Ratner and his AY complex despite opposing real affordable housing, because that will be seen as a communist takeover. BTW, not everyone who lives in public housing is on welfare, and there are many who do have jobs, so this is really just describing a select few.
March 2, 2014, 3:27 pm
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Ethan (The Chooch) was born in Ohio so he mentions people that are really FROM Brooklyn. Chooch, I was born in Wyckoff Heights Hospital. Do tell me what Brooklyn High School you graduated from? Hmmmmmmm? Not so much put up her when some one can simply check a yearbook and figure out you are from Akron. Now lets put on our best Fonzies voice and say AYYYYYYYYYYYY!
March 2, 2014, 6:27 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
The Chooch went to a prep school in Massachusetts. And proud of it. Swampy, I assure you no one is emulating mook Brooklyn over here in Bohemia. If the Chooch puts on a Fonzie accent it's only to make fun of youz. The Bohemian National Agenda has nothing to do with trying to fit in to mook Brooklyn. To us, your Brooklyn is a low point in the history of the borough. Our Brooklyn history looks for inspiration to Jewish Brooklyn in the 1920s, or German Bushwick in the 1850s. Sorry swampy, you really don't do it for us. But the Fonzie accent is funny, I'll hand you that.
March 2, 2014, 7:49 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The Chooch, do you really need to always talk in the third person, because none of us are doing that here?
March 2, 2014, 8:49 pm
Piere from East New York says:
Affordable housing is a misleading term. It is really government subsidized housing. For each unit that the developer is making below rent, that means the city is collecting less property tax on that unit. That means less money for teachers and cops and higher property taxes for everyone else. Why should rent by $1200 for the crummy apartment I rent out in my home in East New York. I need that money to cover the taxes. Most people don't realize that 30-40% or more of their rent goes to pay for SKY high property taxes, fuel taxes, electricity taxes, work rules. If you want to make housing affordable lower these taxes. You watch many of these apartments will go to the politically connected. Rangle had 4 affordable units in Harlem. The new city council speaker was granted an affordable townhouse in Harlem even though her parents own millions in property in PR. . Apartments in prime areas should rent as high as the market will allow. This will allow the city to lower property taxes in middle and working class areas so that those houses and apartments can be the true meaning of affordable, the kind where it actually naturally is. Owe to do this we need to cut wasted spending such as the $3 million each city council members get to spend on staff, rent and supplies
March 2, 2014, 10:14 pm
Piere from East New York says:
Let's start a list of spending that is questionable that can bring real rent and property tax relief to working and middle class new yorkers
1) Do we really need to spend upwards of $10 million to replace the blue stone near Brooklyn borough all with top shelf granite. Why can't we pour good old cement. The Blue stone broke in the first place because politicians and judges parked their suv's on it. I agree it looks nice, but when people are choking on taxes is it really needed?
2) Do we really need a figurehead borough president with a large budget. We already have city councilman and women. And why does the city council speaker need a speaker. Wake up, it is so that she does not have to directly take credit for anything she says if she says it through a third party.

Tie these spending cuts, cuts that don't affect the average New Yorker, to property reform that matters. If you buy a home or apartment building you need to maintain it. If you tear it down your property taxes should triple . T
March 2, 2014, 10:41 pm
Pierre from East New York says:
And for all those who scream that gentrification is killing places like fort green . Attending Brooklyn Tech from 1987-1991, I can tell you that most parts of Fort Green were terrible. We would get mugged on a daily basis. Fulton mall was patrolled by gangs. And I always marveled at how the pretty brownstones had trees growing out of the top. Many people who live in Brooklyn were not here for the "good old days" Buswick had a similar quality of life as Bagdad. The subways would empty out after rush hour due to crime. The fact is that many areas of Brooklyn were under priced for many years. Back out the difference in taxes the working poor pays in NY vs. Florida and you will see that it is taxes that are making people poor and not afford to live here and not a major new tax source as the new Domino's development . If you read article from 10 plus years ago, the reason Domino closed was high cost to operate, that taxes
March 2, 2014, 10:49 pm
Chooch's Daddy from Suburb of Boston says:
Yes just like my son said. You should have all bought property in Brooklyn just like I bought it for my talentless son over the last 30 years so he can now be a pretentious hated yuppie who comments 20 times a day on one Brooklyn Paper article. Why didn't every one of you and every person in Brooklyn that's not reading this just simply buy property? Why?
March 3, 2014, 7:04 am
Michael from Bay ridge says:
Whether or not he agrees with them, the mayor should stick by agreements that the city has already made. In order to have good faith between developers and the city, they need to stick to agreements that have been made and not re-work them in the 11th hour.

Furthermore, it's hard for me to understand why there should be discounted luxury apartments. this development is not even replacing any exisiting housing, it's just creating new apartments. No one is being displaced, and I don't see why a few select should get discounted luxury homes. Affordable housing is plentiful in bad neighborhoods, and if the city doesn't think that is enough, they can finance their own housing projects.
March 3, 2014, 8:11 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
De Blasio is just disappointment after disappointment.
March 3, 2014, 8:52 am
Mook's daddy from Kings says:
I worked hard to buy my house back in the 70's so that my kids could have a better life here. Unfortunately, that life turned out to be too easy for them, and so now they just hang around in their sweats eating pizza slices and pastries from the local 7-11, discarding the triangle pizza boxes and other junk food packaging up and down the block. What will they do now that I'm planning to sell my house for a ton of money and retire in Florida? After all, it's not easy to afford your own apartment when your career is 'low level drug dealer'. Perhaps they'll get a chance to move into one of the new developments nearby as part of the city's effort to 'preserve the character of the neighborhood' and that way they'll be able to maintain their kidult lifestyle by selling pain pills and heroin to the kids of the yups who pay full price for living in the same buildings.
March 3, 2014, 9:08 am
judahspechal from bedstuy says:
11% of people in the projects are on Welfare

43% working people, who salary cannot pay market rate

44%- disable, elderly & veterans

Don't let facts blind you, while grappling to make ur point.
March 3, 2014, 10:12 am
Michael from Bay Ridge says:
@judahspecial - I wasn't aware that this development was a housing project.
March 3, 2014, 10:37 am
bkmanhatman from nubrucklyn says:
No one is asking to return back to bad old days of balkanized BK. But someone has to control how things get developed in Brooklyn especially in regards to housing.
creating homes affordableto middle class people is a priority not to wealthy
March 3, 2014, 11:27 am
wanta be black from Brooklyn says:
Sink it if you must! As the last thing we need is more luxury housing on the waterfront.

Let's not forget this is industrial waterfront land set aside for infrastructure and working folk. If the industrial zoning is maintained, it will stay as such. Proof bring that the Brooklyn Navy Yard (Domino's neighbor) is FULL!

If any consideration is given to convert this property, consideration must also be given to the industrial space being taken away and those working folk that will loose opportunity as a result. Something has to be given back, and affordable housing is all they have to offer - that and some piece of it's waterfront given back as a public park, not private as they are proposing.

It's called Mitigation! If you want to take something, you have to give something back.

Do the right thing DeBlasio and make them give something back.
March 3, 2014, 11:28 am
frank from Franklin says:
Judah, what percentage are drug dealers? what percentage have a criminal record?
March 3, 2014, 11:28 am
judahspechal from bedstuy says:
Frank there is something call Google, Yahoo, etc. Give it a go.

Or should I chew ur food to? If so, should I spit it in ur mouth or back on ur plate?

If u have a straw, I'd perfer spiting it back on ur plate.
March 3, 2014, 11:40 am
judahspechal from bedstuy says:
Mike from Bayridge, never said it was a project, but I see were u are going.

There are people making $100, 000/per yr.
who can not find affordable places tolive or rise a family.

But I get it, attached something to poor, drug addicts, & criminals & I guess the conversation is over.

I have never been an Absolutist, & I never will be.
March 3, 2014, 11:46 am
judahspechal from bedstuy says:
PS. Mike, I see u desire converstion/debate on a blog.
Let me help u out

Hmm, how is life, buddy?
March 3, 2014, 11:49 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Domino will kick back 600 units of "affordable" housing. It's a joke, a drop in the bucket. De Blasio is chewing up time and taxpayer's money on a symbolic gesture that arises out of spite. Domino has become the Alamo of every hacktivist in Williamsburg who's bent out of shape because we gentrified their neighborhood. Get over it.

Here's the thing, and you can tell 'em the Chooch told you this. The Williamsburg waterfront is no place for any kind of subsidized housing whatsoever. It costs the taxpayers too much, and that's money taken away from cops, firemen, and teachers.

If de Blasio wants to be the working man's hero who finally solves this chronic housing shortage we're in, then he needs to create incentives for developers to build "down market" condos deep in Brooklyn, and lots of them. In Bensonhurst, East New York, Flatlands, Sheepshead Bay, Canarsie. There are plenty of places in Brooklyn that should be developed.

The 80/20 scheme for waterfront condos is nothing but institutionalized class warfare and an extension of the politics of entitlement.

Get over it.
March 3, 2014, 12:18 pm
donald trump from nyc says:
I would turn the place into a park, there is overpopulation and the city isn't designed to handle all the extra cars and people ! There is just too much construction going on, lets work on preserving what we have thus far and improving the quality of life by limiting these mega structures that suck the life out of newyork by inflating the real estate market, soon the middle class won't be able to afford to live in new York, worst case scenario, force them to make all the units affordable and make it rent controlled for at least 60 years, the new trump is for the people of NYC.
March 3, 2014, 1:19 pm
kwazimoto from china town says:
What happend to the proposed development to turn rikers island into a affordable housing complex and casino, lets move two trees over there and get these jails out of the NYC area send them north, And use that space for something good rather than house criminals and detainee's.....
March 3, 2014, 1:27 pm
kwazimoto from china town says:
Put the two trees proposition on the rikers island land and that would be the best place for that kind of complex. Move the jail somewhere else...
March 3, 2014, 1:30 pm
Pam Staples says:
There's no housing shortage - there are plenty of apartments and houses. At all price levels. Of course if you aren't loaded you won't find a luxury place available in a trendy neighborhood, but that doesn't mean that anyone can't get housing that matches their needs and budgets.
Prices are higher that what people want to pay, but they have always been in the trendy parts of town. People who have enough money to buy expensive apartments often have that because they work very hard and earn it. If you want a nicer home, then go out and earn enough money to buy it.
March 3, 2014, 2:12 pm
Donations talk from Dominos Donations Request says:
Wake up people.

The mayor called to ask fro Donations or else.

Donations will make DeBlasio agree to anything.


March 3, 2014, 2:39 pm
The Chooch from the House of Chung says:
It's just shifty-azzed, sugn. Spite and more spite. We have upped the hood and there ain't nothin' nobody can do about it no how. Shazooooom!
March 3, 2014, 3:18 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
What really annoys me is that so many condemn affordable or public housing just for the few. According to the stats that judahspechal give, only a very small percentage are really on welfare, while the rest are actually either the hard working or retired. I could never understand why so many blame an entire group for just a few. The only reason why NYC still has so many of their housing projects up unlike so many other cities in the country that tore them down is because there is still a demand for affordable housing. One day, this could be you needing to live there because of your income, so enough attacking on those that need it now. Let's not forget that when John Rhea was head of NYCHA, he was known for hoarding numerous funds that were supposed to go to renovating and improving a number of housing projects throughout the city, which made it not the fault of those living in them and why de Blasio wound up removing him.
March 3, 2014, 4:24 pm
The Chooch from the Cheech of Chong says:
Thank you Tal, as always, you are impeccably nebbish. You want to live in the projects, go live in the projects. The Chooch would live in a trailer off the Long Island Expressway before he'd live in the projects. Sheeeeesh. Hast thou not a life!
March 3, 2014, 4:47 pm
"Interloper" from Kent Ave says:
"Affordable housing" is a joke. Why does one person deserve to get the exact same apartment in the same building right next door to somebody that is willing to pay top dollar? Just because they make less money we're supposed to subsidize their livelihoods. I'm sorry but take your Jackass Donkey Party charity and politics somewhere else. If it were up to me the only "affordable housing" would be put in Brownsville and all the luxury waterfront developments would be made available for hard working folks that can afford to pay top dollar.

What's next? You want to live in a mansion in Rye or Scarsdale and only pay $100k while your neighbor pays $2.5 million? Explain to me how this is any different.
March 3, 2014, 5:09 pm
Jo From Bensonhurst from BENSONHURST says:
This LIberal Mayor wants to turn this city back to the Lindsay-Dinkin time. Handouts and Freeloaders elected him and this is payback. In 4 years we will be filled with crime and flith.
March 3, 2014, 5:22 pm
judahspechal from bedstuy says:
Meanwhile Tal, there are projects that are completely empty & has been so for yrs. There are a few right across the street from Ft. Greene park.

This ide of hard work? What is work hard?

As a freelancer's sometimes I get on the subwy t 3, 4, 5 in the morning.

It's usually packed w/people going to work, are they hard workers?
March 3, 2014, 5:22 pm
judah spechal from bed stuy says:
I doubt any of themare pulling in $50, 000-$100000

Perhap hard working meaning working smarter. Not everyone came be a CEO. We would have 0% growth potential if it was the case.
March 3, 2014, 5:25 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Judah, the hard working I am referring to are those at the low end the ladder. In other words, it's those who have to live paycheck to paycheck and can barely find anything better to work with. As for empty projects, that has more to do with the NYCHA telling their tenants to leave for the renovations that never came such as the empty one at Prospect Plaza, which sat like that for over a decade. You said it yourself that a good percentage of those that live in housing projects are on the low end of the ladder hence what is defined as the hard working. Again, the reason why some sit empty is because of the NYCHA, not the tenants. Keep in mind that John Rhea did mess up this group big and fixing it may not be so easy, plus Rhea was even known for being late to meetings and public hearings and didn't even give a reason why as if he didn't care about his job, just the fact that he was getting paid for it.
March 3, 2014, 7:23 pm
Tt from PS says:
Hey Cooch

If you have such a problem with New Yorkers and our diverse culture, what are you doing here? Is that what your preppy school from Mass prepared you for? To come live with the middle class, minorities, and people who need affordable housing? Why aren't you successful in Mass with your preppy education? I highly doubt that anyone would miss you if you went back to prepy town? This is not what New York is all about!! Take your racist behind back where you came from. No one needs you here.

Tt (a minority from Brooklyn who has a PhD and went to public school)
March 3, 2014, 8:40 pm
do you see what i see? from Brooklyn says:
Affordable housing shouldn't be a bells and whistles deal, rather a requirement based on need.

Am I nuts for thinking Inclusionary Housing is nonsense, not to be confused with civil rights?

Can you believe this from the NY Times article, by Charles V. Bagli Feb. 27, 2014?

"Mr. Walentas won general support from neighborhood activists and elected officials"

Did that info came from Two Trees' Lombino, former executive vice president of external affairs for NYCEDC?

I would say if there is a lack of opposition (doubtful) it is caused by either years of burnout or priceout thanks to the pseudo lux schlock already built.

A call to you all, stop spending your hard earned dollars on poor construction! Less quantity, more quality!
March 3, 2014, 8:43 pm
uh, eh em from NYC says:
sssup with the photo of De Blasio heiling (sp?) ... someone taking some liberties? am i reading the Post?
March 3, 2014, 8:52 pm
sober bee from Brklyn says:
But I want my sub zero, wolf range-like home too!

Come on NYC, build REAL substantial and yes modest affordable housing.

What is being constructed is not necessary, overpriced and offensively out of scale.
March 3, 2014, 9:59 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
The (bohemian) gentry have already exited Williamsburg. Their heyday was lovely, interesting, calm and balanced. Now all that's left is a strange overcrowded and outrageously expensive whoknowswhat with a rustico dunkin doughnuts as its crowning jewel of confusion.
March 4, 2014, 12:27 am
Sara from Greenpoint says:
NYC is bleeding money. This has little to do with selection of materials for civic projects.
March 4, 2014, 9:13 am
Marvin from Queens says:
Sara is right - the city is already blowing way too much money on these welfare queens. It's like money down the toilet.
March 4, 2014, 11:04 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Bleebloop, the Bohemian gentry own Williamsburg's azz. They run Pierogi and the Boiler. They're the ones who drop fifty grand on an "installation". They are the black robes and missionaries of gentrification. They are the magicians.
March 4, 2014, 1:35 pm
b from gp says:
Williamsburg and Greenpoint were sold out long ago. The sales were then made official by the city in 2005, 2008. These neighborhoods have been turned into doormats for overdevelopment of compromised quality, much of which is in flood zones.
March 4, 2014, 2:02 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Williamsburg and Greenpoint are awesome and unprecedented neighborhoods. To call them magical is not an overstatement. NYC has never known this kind of levity, liveliness, and modernity in a neighborhood. They are also entirely new, as if born like Athena from the brow of Zeus. No place in America has seen such a manifestation of gentrification. It's a new city, delivered wholesale in the space of two decades. And in this regard, very much in the spirit of the original City of Williamsburgh. And y'all was here on crack and welfare for three generations? What a shame. What a chance you missed.
March 4, 2014, 4:05 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Marvin, how about the city and state stops giving so many tax breaks and other forms of corporate welfare to the wealthy, because that's what really bleeding the city and state of money?
March 4, 2014, 4:12 pm
jay from nyc says:
I have a solution that would make many of us happy, Tal does not live here, so how about we propose that the developers put Tal-bot under this building, and in return reduce the amount of affordable apartments required for this project? That way Tal can finally stop being a wanna be pretender and live in NYC and get a cheap place to "reside" and the developer gets a bit of a break. Anyone like that idea?
March 4, 2014, 6:24 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Keep in mind that some of the housing projects are from the state, so I am paying for those with my tax dollars as well.
March 4, 2014, 6:42 pm
BunnynSunny from Clinton Sunny Hills says:
Oh, Gods be praised!
March 4, 2014, 8:06 pm
BunnynSunny from Clinton Sunny Hills says:
Jo From Bensonhurst from BENSONHURST says:

I don't think that aint' ever going to happen, but go on dreaming.
March 4, 2014, 8:09 pm
pierre from East New York says:
"No one is asking to return back to bad old days of balkanized BK. But someone has to control how things get developed in Brooklyn especially in regards to housing. creating homes affordable to middle class people is a priority not to wealthy"

What makes it not affordable for the middle class is the taxes and other fee's that are passed down to developers and home owners. Electric cost twice as much as it does in florida. Tons of hidden taxes. Rules that favor slumlords which FYI fund most democratic and republican local official campaign fund(which under ny election law, can be spend on almost anything. NO ONE CHECKS)

These luxury apartments should be funding lower taxes for everyone else. The income of the residents who are mostly people who would work in NYC and then commute our of the city is also great tax revenue plus added jobs that offer people the chance to make a better life for oneself. A waitress job is pretty good when you are working your way through college or trade school. Like I said earlier, the politically connected get most of these "affordable apartments" I bet Deblasio's daughter gets one
March 4, 2014, 10:49 pm
pierre from East New York says:
"Meanwhile Tal, there are projects that are completely empty & has been so for yrs. There are a few right across the street from Ft. Greene park.

This ide of hard work? What is work hard?

As a freelancer's sometimes I get on the subwy t 3, 4, 5 in the morning.

It's usually packed w/people going to work, are they hard workers?"

Those projects you are talking about were built as temporary housing, much smaller than regular projects. They need renovation work to bring them up to code that cost more than to throw then down and start over. They should be thrown down and have developer come in and build a mix of affordable housing and market rate housing replacing all the former shoe box apartments with real sized livable apartments.
NYC is too much subsidized housing, not too little. Costs need to be bright down so taxes can be lowered to a livable rate. Right now you work to pay taxes either directly or through rent/property tax/tolls/taxes on everything under the sun
March 4, 2014, 11:21 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
Cooch, the bohemian gentry, courteous and gentle, have for the most part gone away, as they've little interest in living in an overcrowded shopping mall. The city has become all about the rubber stamping of such development. Does not the sheer size of the project reveal to you its offensiveness?
March 5, 2014, 9:02 am
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
City Planning should've focused on developing upland and well scaled projects. Instead these areas in Williamsburg and parts of Greenpoint have been swallowed up by shoddy construction. This in combination with waterfront development have caused crazy overcrowding on the L.
March 5, 2014, 9:16 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Well no, bleepbloop, the borough is filled with bohemian gentry who own lofts, brownstones, old firehouses, carriage houses, garages, and townhouses from Greenpoint to Carroll Gardens to Red Hook.

It's a solid demographic of artists, editors, designers, architects, schoolteachers, lawyers, IT people, most of whom have day jobs, and a good many of whom realized their dreams and became professional artists of one kind or another. But they're all property owners. They have a stake in Brooklyn, and they have changed the face of Brooklyn.

Agreed, the bohemian gentry do not relish the idea of living cheek by jowl with massive condo buildings, and putting up with the increased density that we're putting up with. But they also agree with the Chooch that gentrification and more density in the inner cities is the key to sustainable life on the planet.

Believe the Chooch. If gentrification and density were not the right answer, we would have articulate and rational voices arguing against gentrification. But we don't. We get a lot of rancor about "hipsters" and we get a head-in-the-sand argument about overpopulation being an "induced" phenomena that can be controlled by "policy." What "policy" would that be, you can't live in Brooklyn if you're a hipster?

Overpopulation in Brooklyn is owing to the fact that everyone wants to live in Brooklyn. And everyone wants to live in Brooklyn because the bohemian gentry made Brooklyn cool.

The "sheer size" of the Domino project is nothing. We're going to need ten more like that in the borough before we can make a dent in the housing demand. We're going to need two more tracks on the L line, with magnetic trains, running five times faster.

Sugn, you ain't seen jack.
March 5, 2014, 11:26 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Sorry, an induced "phenomenon." See, the Chooch admits he's on the low-scale of the educated bohemian gentry in Brooklyn. He does the trench fighting against all of youz. If the Ivy Leaguers around here had time for this nonsense, youz would all be toast.
March 5, 2014, 11:36 am
The Chooch from the tundra says:

A little respect for some of the other creatures with whom we share the planet. A little less self-centered obsession with your assumed right to burn up gasoline and roll over bike lanes in Brooklyn. A little more regard for the need for new and more energy efficient housing, for locally grown produce, for roof farms, for kale and a low-meat diet that will save your heart and lower C02 levels in the atmosphere. A little less assumption that your bone-headed urban blight has the moral high ground on the matter of gentrification.
March 5, 2014, 12:18 pm
The Chooch from the tundra says:
The higher cost and the higher density in Brooklyn that you beeaatch about all day long, is the REAL cost of the life that you squandered during half a century of urban blight.
March 5, 2014, 12:27 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
So skiddy along now scoot. Get a job.
March 5, 2014, 12:30 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
Thought experiment:

Imagine holding up a bedsheet horizontally. You holding up two corners and another holding the other two. Have a third person sprinkle some ping pong balls hither and thither. Imagine these ping pong balls each represent a village, after having followed some bloodshed and erasure of a peoples who were generally cool with the earth, one with the sheet so to say. Then add a few tennis balls, to represent towns. All thus far somewhat evenly distributed and causing little disturbance to the pingpongs. Now add a couple of softballs. Uhhh what's happening? Looks like those pingpong balls are gravitating towards the softballs a little. All right no big deal really as we are all derived from nomadic cultures for the most part and suburbia looks to be like a swell advancement. And then a select few volleyballs, cuz the suburbs are so great after all. This brings us to our present state of being. But wait, third person has what? A bowling ball, maybe 3. What do you think will then happen? And don't give me I'm gonna go looking for another planet hooha.

Personally I've little interest in being a doormat to such a future and I'm sick of trying to escape the shopping mall. So it's time to turn around and say piss off!
March 5, 2014, 12:33 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Piss off to whom? Hipsters? Yuppies? White people? Whom exactly should piss off, and on what grounds. Should the great influx of Latinos and Asians who have also been crowding into Brooklyn only in the past 20 years ... also piss off?

And who are these people who were "cool with the earth." Welfare recipients drag racing in Cadillacs on Kent Avenue? Pre-diabetic Latinos schnarfing hunks of pork and steak at barbecues? Do you know how much carbon these pigs and cows fart into the atmosphere every year? And you have a problem with a hipster who eats kale and brown rice?

Here's the answer to your "thought experiment." The ping-pong balls and basketballs and bowling balls all need to be corralled toward the center of the sheet, and the sheet needs to be tighter.
March 5, 2014, 12:49 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
Stop making so many damn babies, till this sht is figured out.

Cooch sounds like you got a three gorges damn in mind times a gazillion in size. Tighter sheet? Gonna start messing with the earth's gravitational pull while your at it?
March 5, 2014, 1:14 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Meh ... You're wobbling. C'mon mookies, bring it on bring it on! Show me what you ever did in Brooklyn other than crack.
March 5, 2014, 1:21 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
sry pal, none of your business
March 5, 2014, 1:37 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
BAH! ... and obviously nothing to brag about either!
March 5, 2014, 1:42 pm
wanta be black from Brooklyn says:

When you take our industrial zoning away, and you must pay back to the working class!

Stop the rezoning/variances, keep Brooklyn working, maintain infrasture and diversity.

Brooklyn's waking up, we're coming around.

Do the right thing!
March 5, 2014, 2:44 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Is the BK Paper just going to keep kicking this article to the top of the page everyday?

Copy, paste, change the headline, keep the Nazi salute pic, keep the same stupid comments.

Sounds like a plan.
March 5, 2014, 4:55 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
You can't just say "industrial zoning" and expect industry to show up like a welfare check. These neighborhoods have been zoned industrial for decades, and industry got out. The only new industry to speak of in Brooklyn is what's been started by hipsters. No one cares whether you like that or not, it's what's for dinner. You don't have a choice. Industry comes with work and initiative. It's not a handout, it's not welfare, it's not there just because you want it to be. Now scoot. Go down to the hipster cafe and see if they need a dishwasher.
March 5, 2014, 6:56 pm
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
Sadly enough a lot of local industry couldn't survive the freetrade changes. One of those catch-22s which could use some fine tuning to move beyond the experimental stage towards a solution somewhat more balanced with respect to the value of local economies throughout the world.

True that the hipsters are trying initiate a local small business/industry movement. Though what about skilled labor? Regardless of living in a digital world with a gazillion apps, we've still the need for corporal analogue, in addition to finely crafted pickles.

And our exaggerated push for ever more tourism in the city (often more about shopping than culture) reflects our inability to deal with the situation straight up.
March 5, 2014, 10:33 pm
The Chooch from the hipster economy says:
"In the last five years, the number of information technology jobs in the city increased by almost 29 percent, or about eight times as fast as the city’s total employment grew."
March 6, 2014, 9:21 am
bleepbloop from Brooklyn says:
Save the New York Public Library, so as to maintain an independence!
March 7, 2014, 11:19 am
Frank from Williamsburg says:
Love the pic of Warren Wilhelm and that nazi salute
March 9, 2014, 7:16 pm

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