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Borough President Markowitz gave his seal of approval to two developments that will create a wall of luxury housing towers on the waterfront in the farthest reaches of Greenpoint, as long as it comes with some extra mass transit and a school.

The controversial Greenpoint Landing project, which will include 10 towers and up to 5,500 apartments on 22 acres near the Newtown Creek, and the 77 Commercial Street project, which will include two 30-story towers housing 720 apartments between Box and Clay streets, are good to go as long as bus service to and from the area is increased and a planned middle school is constructed, the Beep said in his recommendation to the Department of City Planning and the City Council, which have the final say on the two plans.

In his reports, Markowitz said he welcomed the “affordable” housing that would be part and parcel of the projects, as well as the fact that the projects would make that northern stretch of waterfront, which has been blocked off by fences for years, available to the public.

“The open space would enhance the residential uses developed in the area,” wrote Markowitz.

Markowitz’s “Yea” vote flies in the face of the neighborhood community board, the lowest tier of government whose volunteers — all of whom are approved to serve by the Beep — voted down the plan last month, citing their lack of trust in the developers.

“They are not doing the right thing,” Community Board 1 member Rob Solano said of the developers. “They are arrogant, they don’t get it, and they answer questions with questions.”

Two community board meetings in August drew hundreds of outraged neighbors and, in early September, residents rallied at a protest, vowing to sue the city and developers over supposedly inadequate environmental studies.

At Markowitz’s public hearing regarding the project on Sept. 17, 12 people spoke, with the majority testifying against the project, according to the Borough President’s report.

Reach reporter Danielle Furfaro at dfurfaro@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2511. Follow her at twitter.com/DanielleFurfaro.
Updated 10:15 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Enrique from Sunset Park says:
And how much money did these developers put in Martys campaign fund?
Oct. 16, 2013, 1:18 am
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
I see the legacy of Big-Buck-Bloomy will be hurting the city *for a long time. Let's just pile more and more luxury apartments into Brooklyn and Queens, right on top gutted infrastructures and subways which haven't been expanded since beer was illegal. Bloomberg and his developer buddies are like that guy with the super high cholesterol who keeps chomping down pizza and fried chicken and doesn't worry about it because he still looks thin, and then is super surprised when he gets a massive heart attack. The transit arteries for us "worker bees" to come into Manhattan and create more money for the elite are already overburdened, and one day it will simply kill the city.
Oct. 16, 2013, 8:53 am
jjm from c. hill says:
All of the developments thats going on around the city are going to become low-income in due time. The demand for affordable housing is sky high & ultimately something gotta give. Dont be surprised when most of these new developments start accepting section 8. You're looking at nyc's housing projects of the future, people!!
Oct. 16, 2013, 9:31 am
jjm from c. hill says:
This is somewhat similar to what happened with some of the developments from decades ago. They started off as luxury apts & ended up accepting low & lower-mid income tenants so who's to say that wont happen with this?
Oct. 16, 2013, 9:38 am
Northside N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
So much wisdom from Jim and yet he remains a 'worker bee'. Just shocking. I remember when they said the same thing about The Edge.
Oct. 16, 2013, 9:57 am
jjmm from cc. hilll says:
Specific examples?
Oct. 16, 2013, 9:59 am
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
The Edge is a specific example. Try and keep up comrade.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:03 am
BrooklynGersh from The WT says:
I just love that we're still running the same picture of Marty that ran with his state Senate re-election campaign!
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:07 am
Nortorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
In fact, if you rewind to '08/'09, lots of people like you were saying that about all of the condo projects in WBurg/Greenpoint. That they would become housing projects, remain vacant, become squatter fodder etc. etc.

Well what happened? Turned out they were a pretty good investment.

So if the 'worker bee' money is on these condos which will have stunning views of the Manhattan skyline are going to turn into housing projects; you'll have to excuse me if I go the other way.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:09 am
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
"All of the developments thats going on around the city are going to become low-income in due time. The demand for affordable housing is sky high & ultimately something gotta give."

bwahahaha....yes all of the millionaires are going to abandon their $1000-1500 sqft equity position and the bus drivers are going to move in. It's bound to happen any day now.

Jim, what color is the sky in the world you live in?
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:13 am
jjm from c.hill says:
@NED, just give it some time & u'll see the transition. Also lets not forget that bloomy is leaving & de blasio is coming in so the developers are gonna have to make some choices about accepting low & mid income tenants. It'll be only matter of time b4 u start seeing people rent a condo on public assistance.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:22 am
jjm from c.hill says:
@NED a prime example, Queensbridge. It started out the same exact way by only accepting tenants that were affluent at the time. Look at queensbridge now, see what i mean??
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:29 am
AC from Greenpoint says:
I'm trying to picture proposed "extra mass transit" within the current street and subway infrastructure. Questions to the developers/lawyers in CB1 meetings included "how will the G train accommodate the new population surge?" and "how will the developers transport materials to the site?" Both were dismissed with the usual "we'll do some studies..."

It's especially infuriating that restoring the length of the G is still currently out of the question. In its place, the MTA has stated they will mark the platforms to indicate exactly where the train will stop.

"They break our legs, and we thank them when they offer us crutches."
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:37 am
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
@jjm You're so full of it. Queensbridge was developed in accordance with the 1937 Wagner Housing Act, which deemed it had to be UNATTRACTIVE to middle class buyers. It was never an affluent ever. You're just making things up.

You should quit your worker bee gig and become the world's worst real estate speculator.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:42 am
jjm from c. hill says:
@NED im not making anything up. It was only accepting people who were making $3,000 annually & that was alot of money at the time.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:57 am
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
@jjm wrong again! It's incredible. What you think you mean, is that in the 1950's Queensbridge started transferring OUT residents who were making more that $3000 year.

Queensbrigde was, is, and always will be a public housing project. It did not start out as luxury housing. It is in no way analogous to what's happening on the N. Brooklyn waterfront. PUHlezze.

Do you mean to be so dishonest, or are you just stupid.
Oct. 16, 2013, 11:09 am
bkmanhatposeur from brokeland says:
Well that being said that they have lined the coffers of Marty, at least any developement should be tied to affordable housing units.
Oct. 16, 2013, 11:39 am
rc from Greenpoint says:
Keep it up NY! Just destroy every inch of the past and culture of this city. Time to move away!
Oct. 16, 2013, 12:50 pm
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
What are they destroying? A vacant waterfront lot?
Oct. 16, 2013, 1:12 pm
guernsey street from greenpoint says:
Affordable?

I don't believe it for a second.

It's like this city wants to drive people out of it.
Building a development like this will increase rental property everywhere else around it; making it even harder to afford a simple 1-bedroom apartment.

This is stupid.
That's all there is to say about it really.

And you know the buildings will be just as architecturally disgusting and cheap looking as the ones in Williamsburg.
Oct. 16, 2013, 1:42 pm
Rob from Williamsburg says:
"Increased bus service." Are you kidding me? For 5,000 apartments? Even with a ferry landing and a pedestrian bridge across the Newtown creek, this doesn't make sense. Should Franklin and Kent be converted to light rail?
Oct. 16, 2013, 1:42 pm
jay from nyc says:
Like it or not Brooklyn needs new housing, and lots of it, and on a massive scale. New buildings also create new tax revenues which the city needs also. Of course it is a real problem that according to a study out yesterday 46% of the city lives in poverty, so what is affordable for those people? In the meantime does that mean everything else should stop?
What about all the people that are middle class and need a decent non-crappy place with three bedrooms to raise a family? They need housing as well and the city is terrible short supply of that kind of housing, plenty for the poor, but middle class, not so much.
The not so secret secret is that the number one reason people leave NYC is because they get to the point where they are ready to have kids and decide to leave because the schools are a total joke and they can't get a decent place to live for less than a million dollars.
So either that gets addressed or NYC will become majority poor (which it is close to being already) with a small middle class and then an upper class. One way to address this is to build massive amounts of middle class housing and maybe projects like this can help fill that void. And what passes for luxury in this town (like having a washer AND drier IN the apartment itself!!) is considered average in the rest of the country. We will see, but doing nothing is not going to work.
Oct. 16, 2013, 5:29 pm
C from Bay Ridge says:
These comments are spot on. The "affordable housing" that Bloomy touts from what I've seen (and I watch most of the PDF flyers that get posted to HPD) is probably 90% geared to the really poor. Single occupancy making between 19-23k. Families of 4 on 34-45k. What about the singles making 50-70? Or 2 person households making 60-90?

Also, INFRASTRUCTURE. The G train is woefully inadequate. These folks are going to be in for a rude surprise.
Oct. 16, 2013, 6:35 pm
David Brown from LES says:
Lets be honest, it is impossible (politically speaking), to get rid of Projects like Queensbridge or Red Hook (even though they should). In addition, Northern Brooklyn and Western Queens are becoming extensions of Manhattan (due to an having an ever declining supply of land (particularly Residential which is a reason why the former "Meatpacking District" went from Industrial to Condos)). There is also a need to create new housing in areas better than say Crown Heights or South Jamaica (which we know basically suck), which are the reasons why so much time, money, and effort are being invested in cleaning out Newtown Creek and the Gowanus Canal, and building 77 Commercial and Greenpoint Landing is a part of that. I predict that both will be approved.
Oct. 16, 2013, 6:51 pm
Miles McDonald from Irishtown says:
How much did Marty pay- or how long did he lick the publisher- that you run that ridiculous 25 year old photo of the corrupt and very well lubricated troll? Marty is vile even by Brooklyn machine standards, which us saying something.
Oct. 16, 2013, 7:34 pm
jjm from c. hill says:
Believe me, alot of these new luxury apts will be lower & mid income like i said because all it takes is 1 person to file a suit claiming housing discrimination.
Oct. 16, 2013, 7:37 pm
marge from large says:
will there ever be real reporting about WHY marty 'i was indicted before' Markovitz supports these projects. stop being lazy
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:34 pm
LIC_Dude from Long Island City says:
The Vernon-Jackson stop in LIC on the #7 line needs to be re-done to handle all this new housing. There's no way in hell it can deal with them now or in the next few years as is.

And it will have to deal with them. And the majority of the people in these developments will be taking the 7 train and not the bus/ferry or G/L train into the city.
Oct. 16, 2013, 10:34 pm
Dar from Carroll Gardens says:
Loved Marty when he was first in office as Borough President his first few years as great valor cheer leader for Kings County Brooklyn no doubt! Yet the Popular Brooklyn deemed the New Manhattan at present, mind you many Artists helped recreate a beloved place and now displaced as well as many small business's have reinventing but all gone away due to landlords greed of $$ To hawks of Developers buying and turning over false market rates of million dollar brownstones and turning Our Once Beloved Charmed Community of Brooklyn into a Plastic Façade of unaffordable housing for the few and a tourist attraction these days...and now New High Rise Apartments ??? So Sad Nuff said!
Oct. 17, 2013, 12:20 am
Vlad from Greenpoint says:
Marty gave me a cocktail weenie at backstage at a Huey Lewis CI show years ago...now i wished i would of spit it out and shoved it up his fudge tunnel.
Oct. 17, 2013, 7:25 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Once again thanks to friends in high places, the rich get what they want without any major problems. There are enough playgrounds for the rich in that area, and I feel that there should be some affordable housing or at least rent control over there. Just because this happens to be a waterfront with a nice view, it doesn't mean that it must by luxury housing only. I feel that the lower classes deserve access to good areas as well rather than always being forced to be moved mostly to what is considered no-man's land.
Oct. 17, 2013, 3:13 pm
Ethan Pettit from Park Slope says:
jay from NYC has nailed it. We need these towers. We need unaffordable housing for people with jobs who pay taxes. Otherwise you can kiss the local economy good bye, along with your section 8 housing and all the other perks and schmears that only a flush economy can sustain.
Oct. 17, 2013, 4:33 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ethan, many of those on the lower classes do have jobs and pay taxes. They may not be prestigious, but it does help them make ends meet. BTW, the rich actually pay less taxes thanks to their friends in the government. Even worse, those on the lower end of the ladder have to pay even more to help fill the gap that the rich should be paying just because of all of those tax breaks they are getting.
Oct. 17, 2013, 5:18 pm
guesswhoo from clinton hill says:
These proposed towers are gonna have to be subsidized at some point because when property is unaffordable & vacant over a certain period, there's pretty much no other choice but to let the average joe move in. Its either that or convert it to a homeless shelter like the 1 in CG.
Oct. 17, 2013, 10:09 pm
"Interloper" from Kent Ave says:
Hopefully they'll scrap all plans to have any "affordable housing" in these buildings and all you people looking for handouts can look elsewhere.
Oct. 18, 2013, 12:27 pm
Northside Ned from Greenpoint says:
lol @ guesswhoo from clinton hill's understanding of the real estate market.

So dumb. Soooooo dumb. 2br/2ba in Greenpoint are already selling for 1 mil. Ones on McGusiness Blvd. and such. These waterfronts ones will sell and sell quickly.

Did no one learn anything from the WBurg waterfront? I mean really, people can't be this stupid. It's impossible.

I guess there is a reason some people are broke.
Oct. 18, 2013, 2:36 pm
The Chooch from the Bohemian Magic Show says:
Abracadabra baby
Oct. 18, 2013, 8:41 pm
guesswhoo from c. hill says:
Lol @ned, people buying apts for millions of dollars is sooo dumb. Also we'll see who's soooo dumb when they get their a$$es robbed.
Oct. 18, 2013, 9:02 pm
guesswhoo from c. hill says:
@interloper, they wont have to look far for a handout. They'll catch naive idiots like you & stick you up.
Oct. 18, 2013, 9:04 pm
guesswhoo from c. hill says:
Not to incite any devious acts but im being forced to say this...ATTN ALL MUGGERS, YOU WANNA MAKE SOME SERIOUS $$$?? HEAD OVER TO GREENPOINT/W'BURG/BUSHWICK & SHOW 'EM WHAT BK IS ALL ABOUT.
Oct. 18, 2013, 9:15 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Just stop with the stereotypes already! Not everyone who is on the low end of the ladder has to be some mugger. How would the rich feel if they were believed to always be apathetic snobs? I am sure that they wouldn't like that either, so now you know how the poor feels. Seriously, I don't see what is the problem with affordable housing there as well. Then again, some really do want to have their playgrounds for the rich.
Oct. 19, 2013, 4:43 pm
Notorious N.E.D. from Greenpoint says:
ha, jjm/guesswhoo is the real deal. A truly authentic, Brooklyn born, sh*t for brains, mook.
Oct. 19, 2013, 6:31 pm

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