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Ridge Councilman: I’m not the only politician in town

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The challenger came out swinging against the incumbent at the first debate to determine who will represent Bay Ridge in the City Council.

Ridge Council hopeful John Quaglione blamed Councilman Vincent Gentile for allowing quality of life in Southern Brooklyn to slip on his watch — but the sitting Democrat deflected the blame onto Quaglione’s boss, state Sen. Marty Golden.

Quaglione, a longtime aide and spokesman to Golden (R–Bay Ridge), recalled the halcyon days of 1998–2002 when his boss was in the council. The challenger claimed it was a time when Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Bath Beach, and Dyker Heights did not suffer from the plagues of graffiti, garbage on the streets, street crime, and dilapidated parks. Quaglione laid the blame at the feet of Councilman Gentile (D–Bay Ridge), who he said let the area slide from number one to number 50 out of 51 districts in funding from the City Council. Quaglione also said water bills and property taxes have shot up while Gentile has served.

“Every other neighborhood in the city of New York is getting more of your tax dollars except one,” Quaglione said. “If you believe you should pay more to live in this neighborhood that has come down, vote for Vincent Gentile, I ask you!”

Gentile defended his record in office, pointing out that he voted against property-tax hikes, and claiming to have brought home $13 million in funding for parks, built space for 5,000 seats in local schools, acquired security cameras for high-crime thoroughfares, and recently restored afternoon pick-ups for public trash cans. He also claimed credit for bringing commuter boat service to Manhattan to the commnity.

Gentile also noted that his years as councilman overlapped with Golden’s years as state Senator representing the same neighborhood — and that Golden had likewise failed to address those issues. Gentile served in the state Senate from 1996 until 2002, when he lost his re-election bid to then-Councilman Golden. Gentile then successfully ran for the vacant city seat, and won re-election twice. The two pols have been bitter rivals ever since.

“I’m an elected official, but there’s somebody on this panel who works for an elected official who has not worked on these issues either,” the incumbent said.

Quaglione rebuffed Gentile’s attack, pointing out that he is only an aide, with limited powers.

“I think it’s comical that an elected official, six years in the state Senate, 10 years in the City Council, just blamed a staff member for things he hasn’t done,” the challenger said.

Reach reporter Will Bredderman at wbredderman@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4507. Follow him attwitter.com/WillBredderman.
Updated 10:15 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

h4yRR2 from Bay Ridge says:
Why does Charles Barron get more money for his district than Gentile does for his own?
Oct. 3, 2013, 5:25 am
Adele from Bay Ridge says:
@h4RR2 - you cannot compare the funding needs of Bay Ridge to other parts of the city. Bay Ridge is a great neighborhood.. our schools top city rankings, our parks are the best.. our community is safe.. .. I am happy with service delivery and dont want to pay more taxes!! if there are other neigbhorhoods in our city who need food stamps, child care, housing services, then they should receive more funding - I rather see our money spent on schools not extra garbage pick ups. I blame Bloomberg for water rate hikes and property tax increases... and he was elected by Republicans -
Oct. 3, 2013, 6:38 am
Jane from Bay Ridge says:
Adele is right. I'm voting for Vinnie.
Oct. 3, 2013, 7:17 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
h4yRR2 :

Gentile came up short.
Oct. 3, 2013, 8:43 am
Bay Ridger from Bay Ridge says:
Vincent Gentile has done a very good job during changing and sometimes difficult times. The last thing we need is a Marty Golden clone - bigot, misogynist, homophobe.
Oct. 3, 2013, 8:59 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
Gentile doesn't bring sufficient funding back into our District because he stupidly picks fights with the Mayor and Council leadership, fights that he cannot win. As a result Gentile is an outsider with no power, and gets the leftovers, the table scraps, for our District. For a decade Gentile has ignored the single most important issue for our District, the terrible service we receive on the R and N lines. Both lines are underfunded, understaffed, with longer wait times and more service interruptions than almost any other subway lines in the City. This inconveniences thousands of subway riders in our District. Yet Vinny does nothing about this problem. Don't mention the temporary ferry service either. That involved adding a stop on a pre-existing ferry line from the Rockaway's, and is only a temporary band aid while the tunnel is closed for repairs. Gentile has proven himself to be an ineffective Councilman, nothing but a cheerleader for nonsense that doesn't matter.
Oct. 3, 2013, 9:16 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
Want to see some of the numbers on just how ineffective Vinny has been for our District? Look at the excerpt from a Gotham Gazette study of where Council funds were allocated in the current fiscal year:

An analysis of publicly available data by the Citizens Union Foundation, publisher of Gotham Gazette, found that $594 million of the 2014 fiscal year’s $70 billion budget approved on Thursday will go toward Council member items. The total analyzed by CUF does not include $57 million identified separately by the Council as “Discretionary Child Care Allocations.”

Of course, some Council members get more of the hog than others. The top three recipients of pork in fiscal year 2014 are:

• Brooklyn Councilman and Finance Committee Chair Domenic Recchia, whose $10.3 million went toward athletic programs, 23 schools and medical services;

• Manhattan Councilman Robert Jackson, whose $10.3 million will support among things housing services and local senior programs, as well as a sizable $4.4 million commitment to the City University of New York;

• And Speaker Christine Quinn, who got $10.2 million to support parks in her district, housing developments and a local business improvement district, among other initiatives.

The clear losers were Brooklyn Councilman Vincent Gentile ($3 million), disgraced Councilman Daniel Halloran ($2.2 million) and Brooklyn Councilwoman Diana Reyna ($912,464). Malcolm Sanborn-Hum, a spokesman for Reyna’s office, said the Councilwoman had contributed a little more than $4 million in infrastructure projects that were filed jointly with other Council members. Halloran was arrested earlier this year on allegations he tried to use his discretionary funding for personal gain.
Oct. 3, 2013, 9:37 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
Nice to know that our District is represented by a "clear loser". Time for a change.
Oct. 3, 2013, 9:38 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
"John," post the Quaglione campaign literature elsewhere. Your efforts are too hamhandedly obvious here.
Oct. 3, 2013, 9:51 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Bay Ridger while your claims about Golden being a homophobe may in fact be correct (he is not a candidate in this race) may I remind you that it was Gentile who voted against SONDA. For those of you who do not follow Albany politics, SONDA was a bill that gave gays and lesbians equal protection under the law in housing, the workplace, etc. and Gentile voted no! How is that progressive leadership?

Gentile also voted against the termlimits law and yet here he goes running for a third term. Is this a case of "do what I say and not what I do"? If he had real principals he would stand by his vote and open up the seat.

Gentile also promised not to raise taxes when he ran for the Council in 2002. Guess what he did in his first Stated Council Meeting? He voted to raise property taxes!

Gentile also claimed to pass a law that did away with property taxes on clothing. I dare anyone to show me this law with his name on it. The fact is that this law was passed by the Majority in the State Senate (Gentile sat in the minority).

And should we forget his sexual harrassment complaints by a chief of staff? This complaint was swept under the rug by Council leadership in a closed door hearing. And the Council Member still has not given the details.

Gentile's strange relationship with the truth goes on and on. Why Bay Ridge is in love with him is beyond me.
Oct. 3, 2013, 10:04 am
A voter from Bay Ridge says:
hmm, i wonder if "john from bay ridge" is the same john quaglione running against gentile, but without identifying himself as such. care to confirm or deny?
Oct. 3, 2013, 10:08 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Once again, someone's campaign operatives try to "operate" via long, anonymous BP posts.

::eyeroll::
Oct. 3, 2013, 10:11 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
To "Bystander" and "A voter",

A transparent attempt to dodge the facts about Gentile's ineffectiveness by attacking the messenger. Care to address the facts posted about Vinnie's failure to bring funds into the District? I'm sure you won't because there is really nothing in the way of facts that you can deploy in Vinnie's defense.

I'm neither Quaglione nor one of his "operatives". I'm a registered Democrat who is feed up with Gentile. If you want to keep an incompetent in office for the sake of party purity or loyalty, that's crazy. As far as I am concerned Quaglione's primary qualification is that he is not Gentile. if Vinny gets re-elected we have no reason to expect that he'll suddenly become effective after the ten years he's had to prove himself.
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:21 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Sorry, John. Won't wash. Seen it all here before.
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:34 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander, I understand your skepticism because it is true that this message board and others have been used by operatives to get their message in the past. I have no doubt that it will be used this way as the campaign unfolds if it is not currently. But, I am not a paid operative (or volunteer), nor do I have any great love for Quaglione (he's a nice enough guy, but I'm not sure if that makes one qualified to be a Council Member).

My long post is only wordy because the incumbent has been in office for many years and hasn't been very effective in his posts. He has lied to his constituents many times and it has largely gone unnoticed.

Bay Ridge/Dyker Heights...can do better than the elected leaders we have in office. We should strive for the best and brightest. Instead, who have shown to mediocre at everything other than catering to seniors (who vote in greater numbers than any other demographic).
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:35 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
So "John" and "Joe" are the same person ...
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:47 am
Joe from bay ridge says:
Bystander: Where do you get that from? Do you really believe that Gentile is so great that the only people who would be against him are paid operatives? As I stated, I not writing for any candidate in this race. I do believe that we can do better than the incumbent.

Why do you find that so objectionable?
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:53 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander is one of those people who don't want to hear things that contradict what he believes.
Oct. 3, 2013, 12:03 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Joe said ' Do you really believe that Gentile is so great that the only people who would be against him are paid operatives?'

And where do you get THAT from?

Posts by "operatives," party reps, candidates, their families etc are well-known in these local-media parts. They leave telltale fingerprints that distinguish them from regular pro-con people.
Oct. 3, 2013, 12:13 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander: There are two people on this board who have written in opposition to the incumbent and accused both of being operatives and later of being the same person. So that leaves me to conclude that you must believe that the only people who are troubled with the status quo are paid (or even unpaid) operatives.

What "telltale fingerprints" were in my posts? Well documented facts? I'm not affiliated with any party other than as a registered voter. I do not work for any candidate running in November. And I do not appreciate unfounded accusations.

Look at what I wrote and challenge it. If you find it unfair than we can discuss the merits. Ad hominem attacks do nothing to further the process.
Oct. 3, 2013, 12:25 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Joe wrote ' Look at what I wrote and challenge it. If you find it unfair than we can discuss the merits '

Thank you for demanding that I discuss your long, detailed posts AND for graciously permitting future discussion on someone else's website.
(shaking my head)
Oct. 3, 2013, 1:14 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
Pardon me, Joe/Jim. John Wasserman here. Let me just say that what the two of you are doing, if that is the right number to use, are, by definition, "unpaid operatives", at best. At worst, you are getting paid. And I personally don't appreciate your racial undertones either. Now, that's just one man's opinion. Thanks for reading and I apologize for the interruption.
Oct. 3, 2013, 1:30 pm
Ed from Bay Ridge says:
" I'm neither Quaglione nor one of his "operatives". " - depends on your definition of operative and leaves lots of sub-rosa wiggleroom.

I agree with others that the B.P. has seen a lot, *lot* of deceptively-usernamed campaign-rep fights, esp (for some reason) by or between GOPers.

They pose as "Fred Average from Yourville" but post slick bullet points and slogans and snarks, and eventually get into details and obscurantism that no Fred Average would know about but is a verbatim repeat of candidate p.r. elsewhere.

Some of these fakey "debates" far far outlived the B.P. stories they were pegged to. The insideryness was so clear. You wanted to say "get a *room*!"
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:06 pm
Bruce from Bensonhurst says:
Are Bystander and John Wasserman Charles Barron operatives? I see the fingerprints.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:12 pm
Joe from bay ridge says:
Thank you for demanding that I discuss your long, detailed posts AND for graciously permitting future discussion on someone else's website.
(shaking my head)

I didn't demand anything I just pointed you in the direction of a mature discussion. Instead of going off the rails and making all sorts of unfounded (and untrue) accusations, you could simply act like an adult and deal with the issues raised. Instead you muddy the waters by attacking the poster (s).

Again, if you're for the status quo, good for you. But, you should have the courage to at least state your reasons why and oppose the opposition.

John Wasserman, I hope that your comments were in jest. To have an opinion on a candidate for public office is not the same as being an operative.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:23 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
I'm actually an Ambrose Bierce-Marcel Proust-WC Fields-Cal Coolidge-FDR-Oliver Goldsmith operative, but none of those SOBs will pay me. (Moneywise, being dead is no excuse.)
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:24 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
"Being". I meant to say "being" instead of "doing". And now it's too late because my posting has already been posted above and I can't do anything about it. I don't know how you'll pardon this one. Oh, no, no.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:27 pm
Ralph from Northern Bay Ridge says:
So Joe, you want reasons why I support Vinny? Here you go. Vinny's a neighborhood mascot. So what if he doesn't get anything done? I don't like change.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:37 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
Hi Joe,
My comments in jest? I've never been more serious on the internet in my life I'm afraid. There was that one time when my grandmother passed away, but that was a personal email between my mother and I. Sorry for interrupting your "operations". Good day to you.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:37 pm
anita from bayridge says:
Terrific, we have two morons to choose from and voting "neither" is a vote for the one who can push the most political dependents to the lolls.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:53 pm
anita from bayridge says:
er, lolls = polls.
Oct. 3, 2013, 2:54 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Ralph wrote: So Joe, you want reasons why I support Vinny? Here you go. Vinny's a neighborhood mascot. So what if he doesn't get anything done? I don't like change.

Well at least that is an honest answer that can be defended. Having an aversion to change is a fairly good reason to vote for the status quo. However, Vinny wanted to force change on you when he voted against the term limits amendment (expect he doesn't want to follow his own vote now that it applies to him).
Oct. 3, 2013, 3:01 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I hope Vinny wins. For those who don't like this position, you can always simply just not vote for anyone who is running for it, because nobody will be forcing you to do so, but don't come complaining if someone you don't like wins especially when you chose not to vote for anyone in that race to begin with.
Oct. 3, 2013, 3:23 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
That's deep.
Oct. 3, 2013, 3:43 pm
Bruce from Bensonhurst says:
I think Tal is a Vinny operative.
Oct. 3, 2013, 4:11 pm
Not Goish from Prospect Heights says:
Quagmire? Giggity giggity goo.
Oct. 3, 2013, 11:53 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Adele wrote - you cannot compare the funding needs of Bay Ridge to other parts of the city. Bay Ridge is a great neighborhood.. our schools top city rankings, our parks are the best.. our community is safe.. .. I am happy with service delivery and dont want to pay more taxes!! if there are other neigbhorhoods in our city who need food stamps, child care, housing services, then they should receive more funding - I rather see our money spent on schools not extra garbage pick ups. I blame Bloomberg for water rate hikes and property tax increases... and he was elected by Republicans -

Actually Bloomberg was elected by Democrats and Republicans. The Mayor consistently had the support of a majority of Democrats in all three elections. In a city that is 5-1 Democrat over Republican it would be impossible for anyone to get elected to a citywide office without the support of Democrats.

You can blame Bloomberg for property tax hikes all you'd like, but the Council (including Vincent Gentile) voted to approve them and therefore they are equally at fault.

And you're "I don't want to pay more in taxes" is the reason why water rates have gone up. The Mayor, Council, Gov and state legislature know that NYers are fed up with new taxes and so they have been shy to increase them over the last few years. Instead we see increases in tolls, fees, fines, etc as a means to generate revenue.

Lastly, the programs that you listed "housing, medicare, food stamps", etc. are Federal programs and do not cost the city anything. Council Members receive discretionary funding that they can spend as they see fit to benefit their districts. I believe that our district deserves as much as any other.
Oct. 4, 2013, 10:13 am
Joe from Bay ridge says:
Please let me correct a statement I made earlier. Gentile did not vote to increase property taxes. He did vote to increase sales tax (a much more regressive tax) and income taxes.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/index.php/elections/4308-where-taxes-matter
Oct. 4, 2013, 11:02 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off all, I feel that all of you are just reading a reflection in the mirror, because it's all backwards, plus I have never called anyone an idiot or stupid just for disagreeing, that was something you guys did with your comments as proof. I can't say the same for Ty or Other Michael and people who don't know what they are talking about because their ideas are as dumb as anyone's. Also, if you have nothing nice to say to someone, then don't say anything at all. Even though I do tend to disagree with a lot of things here, I don't attack the person, I just disagree with the viewpoint as Michael Moore does especially when he mentions conservatives like George W Bush with what they believe on, but he doesn't hate them personally.
Oct. 4, 2013, 2:43 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Last time I checked the subway service is controlled by the MTA a quasi-state controlled agency. Wouldn't that be in State Senator Golden's purview? The years 1998-2002 were economic boom times ,and, thus this could make any Hedley Laamar politician look good without much effort.I will gladly cast my vote for Vinny since we don't need a Charlie Mc Carthy Edgar Bergin ventriloquist show in the City Council.The Joe/John act from Bay Ridge can't do much harm lecturing us on his posts,but a puppet in the Council has consequences.Joey/John stick to the Lecture Hall.
Oct. 4, 2013, 3:25 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: I'm not sure who is lecturing you or for what reason. As to your post, I can understand why you would not vote for Mr. Quaglione as he is very close to the State Senator and may not have the independence that you look for in an elected official. But, what has Vinny done in the 17 years since he has held elective office that makes you so glad to vote for him?
Oct. 4, 2013, 8:27 pm
Jeez, I Worked Late Tonight from Bsyridge says:
Joe? John? whomever -- this is about a Brooklyn election, not about crafting a conceptual, academic or Socratic exercise.

There are two (2) candidates. Vote for the one whose views and priorities most closely reflect, or might accommodate, your own ... or, more cynically, for the candidate you view as least bad.

It seems that you want to bellyache about one guy and-but don't really support *either* candidate. Fine; vote for no one or write in your favorite local hero-heroine (though to me that's ineffective and a copout). Or next time around promote great candidates or run for some office yourself. But please cool it with the woolgathering lectures.
Oct. 5, 2013, 1:52 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Joe/John, Vinny puts the garbage out, goes food shopping, does not change diapers, and is an above average person. Now, my dear Plato, that's what people in the Republic of Bay Ridge are looking for! I am sure that these are sufficient reasons in response to why I am glad to vote for him . See the Brooklyn Daily,02/15/13." Gentile Rival Trashes Ridge Councilman". Crystal Clear! Sophistry? LOL !
Oct. 5, 2013, 8:05 am
Frankie from Dyker Heights says:
Thanks,Aine, for the BK Daily of 02/15/13 heads up, LMAO ! That is above average buffoonery.
Oct. 5, 2013, 11:58 am
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Aine, your argument about the MTA makes no sense. Vinny is constantly bragging about his "triumph" in restoring B37 bus service, which is controlled by the MTA. NYC government has significant influence over the MTA, and city council members in other districts effectively advocate for better subway service for their constituents. The problem is that Vinny just chooses to ignore the fact that R and N train service stinks. Vinnie's priorities are just screwed up. He spends all his time and effort on restoring bus service that dozens, maybe a few hundred, use, while ignoring poor subway service that negatively impacts thousands. Vinnie's judgment stinks, and that's the issue.
Oct. 5, 2013, 4:10 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Golden and Malliotakis also have crowed about "their" victory re: the B37.
Oct. 5, 2013, 4:47 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander, when Golden and Malliotakis are up for reelection I'll have the same criticism for them; the B37 is not important to the vast majority of people in this district. What's your point anyway, that I should accept Vinnie's incompetence because others, who aren't running against him, have similar problems? That's ridiculous. Vinnie's got to go.
Oct. 5, 2013, 6:47 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Bruce wrote " He spends all his time and effort on restoring bus service that dozens, maybe a few hundred, use"

ALL his time and effort? Really?

Before its demise the B37 ferried 3200 people a day, not "dozens" or "a few hundred."

Bay Ridge also is a NORC (naturally occurring retirement community) with a high percentage of seniors. Buses are - and THAT bus was - important to that demographic.

I noted Golden-Malliotakis' crowing simply because you left it out. But you're not so good with details -- between "all his time," underestimating B37 ridership by 3000 and forgetting about NORC.
Oct. 5, 2013, 7:15 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander, 3200 people a day on the B37 (I'll assume that number is correct, but I realize it may be inflated) relates to total ridership, on a bus that runs through a large part of Brooklyn. The Bay Ridge portion of that number is very small. By contrast, the number of people entering the Four Bay Ridge stations is gigantic. For the 77th Street Station alone the MTA lists annual ridership at more than 1.5 million in 2012. If you don't believe me go to the the mta.info site and look at the chart labeled Annual Subway Ridership. If you still think the B37 should be Vinnie's priority, or anyone's priority, you're a hopeless case.
Oct. 5, 2013, 8:03 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander, your 3200 daily rider number formthe ?37 is incorrect. the MTA.info site reveals that daily ridership on the B37 bus was barely 1400 when it was discontinued in 2010, which is why the line was discontinued. Low ridership. More proof of Vinny wasting his time on restoring an underused bus line instead of working for better subway service.
Oct. 5, 2013, 8:12 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
"John Quaglione, who lives in Bay Ridge, said the bus should never have been taken away. 'I remember right before this bus route was terminated, I utilized it to get to jury duty. Words cannot describe how busy that bus was, with people getting on and off at almost every stop. I was, and still I was, and still am, shocked that they ever cut this bus route in the first place,' he said."

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/mta-set-restore-b37-bus-third-avenue-2013-07-16-193000
Oct. 5, 2013, 8:15 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
That's great Bystander, Quiglione said the B37 never should not have been taken away. So what? Gentile expended real time and effort to getting the B37 restored, while in the 10 years he's been in the City Council Vinny has never done anything to improve our R and Nntrain service (correct me if I'm wrong). It is beyond dispute that the R and N train service stinks, and has stunk for years. It is also beyond dispute that Vinny has never made train service a priority, or accomplished anything on our train service. The MTA reports that annual ridership for the 4 Bay Ridge R stations was 9,447,927 in 2012. Yet Vinny spent his efforts on restoring the B37. That's terrible judgment on Vinnie's part. The bad R train service is a huge problem. The B37 was an unimportant side show. Vinny could have chosen to tackle the real problem, but ducked it to fool around with an underused bus line.
Oct. 5, 2013, 8:35 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
The B37 was-is an "unimportant side show"?

John Quag's boss, Marty Golden, has said repeatedly that the B37 was-is important to BR seniors, students and disabled -- that killing it was literally an "injustice" that "stranded and inconvenienced" residents and hurt BR businesses.

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/golden-malliotakis-call-mta-board-vote-restore-b37-bus-service

And yes, it *is* about local business. The MTA even said that "the B37 was restored to serve a growing commercial corridor on Third Avenue and nearby Second Avenue."

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/31/br_busback_2013_08_02_bk.html
Oct. 5, 2013, 9:28 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Lest I forget:

Bruce wrote: "Aine, your argument about the MTA makes no sense ... NYC government has significant influence over the MTA"

and-but State Sen. Golden is a member of the MTA’s Capital Program Review Board.
Oct. 5, 2013, 9:38 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Bystander, you seem obsessed with Marty Golden, who isn't running against Vinny. Again, compared with the problems this District has with terrible R and N service, the B37 is absolutely an unimportant side show. Vinny has done nothing to improve R and N service in the 10 years he's been in the City Council.
Oct. 6, 2013, 10:34 am
joe from bay ridge says:
Let's say that restoring the bus line was a rare case where all of our local elected officials agreed on an issue and fought on the same side for a desired outcome (although not as a united front). I'm even willing to give Mr. Gentile the lion's share of the credit since he crows about the achievement the loudest.

So in almost 17 years in office is this the best we can say about the incumbent? He helped restore a minor bus line and made a troubled agency's balance sheet worse? After almost two decades as a legislator shouldn't he be a leader in his house? Shouldn't he chair a powerful committee? Shouldn't we be able to tick off accomplishments both local and in the legislature?

Sadly after 17 years we have no of that, but you can get on a seldom used bus. Congrats! Let's hope for 20 more years of this type of magic.
Oct. 6, 2013, 11:33 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Bruce from Bay Ridge says: "Bystander, you seem obsessed with Marty Golden, who isn't running against Vinny."

I cited Golden as evidence that other politicos didn't view the B37 as an "unimportant side show" and to indicate his influence with the MTA (which you tried to refute when Aine asked, "Wouldn't [the MTA] be in State Senator Golden's purview?")
Oct. 6, 2013, 1:01 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
joe, no one is stopping you from voting for Quaglione if that's what you plan to do. (And lucky for both of you, he wouldn't have to vote on SONDA.)

If you don't plan to vote for the conservative GOP spokesguy-deputy of our archconservative state senator, then I don't know why you're tearing your hair out here.
Oct. 6, 2013, 1:13 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Bruce from Bay Ridge says: "terrible R and N service"

Bruce - might I ask how long you've lived in Bay Ridge, where you lived previously and *exactly what* constitutes "terrible"?

I'm in B.R. 10 plus years, have lived and subwayed all over NYC since birth and do trains all over at all hours. Subwaywise, and relative to other areas, B.R. is an inconveniently distant one-train "town." How would you fix that?
Oct. 6, 2013, 2:43 pm
joe from bay ridge says:
Bystander. In al likelihood I will vote third party in this race. But, I'm not sure how you're standing up against the conservatives by voting for the guy who is for discrimination based on sexual orientation and who created a hostile work environment for his chief of staff.

But, let's put aside reasons not to vote for the incumbent. What reasons do we have for sticking with the status quo? After 17 years there should be a long list of accomplishments. Right?
Oct. 6, 2013, 9:20 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
I've been in this District more than 20 years bystander. Manhattan prior to that. How do I define poor subway service? Let me count the ways. The R and the N are consistently rated poorly. But don't let that be your guide. Just ride the N and the R and experience the delights of frequent delays and breakdowns, and especially slow service in the evening rush hour and late evenings. How to fix it? Glad you asked, since maybe you'll tell your buddy Vinny. He certainly hasn't tried to find out for himself. First, bring back the RR express to lower Manhattan in the morning. You're a newbie here, but longer term residents remember the more frequent service of the RR. Second, increase the frequency of trains on the R. The wait times are painfully long in the evening. Third, reinstate the N as an express in Manhattan. The R runs local in Manhattan anyway, and this loss of service (yes, it happened a few years ago while Vinny was in the city council) really hurts commuters from Bay Ridge, who are forced to transfer from the N again in Manhattan if they want an expresss ride. Fourth, clean up our stations, which are dirty and decrepit. You want an example of what communities can do when politicians are motivated to advocate for better train service? Look at what the Upper West Side and Williamsburg have done. After 10 years in the city council Vinny should have recognized this as a priority issue for the district and done something about it. It's astonishing that after 10 years on the city council Vinny has no power or clout at all. Bay Ridge and the rest of the district deserve better.

You defend Vinny at all costs, but can't come up with any real achievements to justify his reelection. Do you have any?
Oct. 6, 2013, 10:26 pm
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
Joe - since you keep raising SONDA:
Has Quaglione personally/historically supported sexual-orientation nondiscrimination, lgbt marriage equality and NYC recognition of non-NY same-sex marriages et al?

I'd be surprised if it were so, due to his long association with, and employment by, a famously antigay state senator. But perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps he said outright (somewhere) that he fully supported SONDA et al.

If so, please let me know. If not, stop raising SONDA as an issue.

(And since you're a sharp guy, I presume that you read between the lines of his "I'm an average guy" 2/15/13 Brooklyn Daily quote, which Aine cited earlier.)
Oct. 7, 2013, 2:01 am
joe from bay ridge says:
Bystander it really doesn't matter what Quaglione's position on the Sonda law is as it is a state law and not something he was asked to vote. Gentile was asked to vote on it and he voted the wrong way. So we know that when given the opportunity to end discrimination based on sexual orientation Gentile said no.

So Sonda remains a legitimate issue as nothing has changed since he stood up for bigotry. . Did he join his Council colleagues to lobby Albany for same sex marriage? Did he do anything in that effort.

I wouldn't look at Quaglione to be a progressive as he doesn't claim to be one. But, does seek the support of people who identify as progressive and therefore this should be known.

But, once again let's forget about the reasons not to support the incumbent. 17 years of elective service must have produced a laundry list of legislative accomplishments, right? And yet I can't seem to find them. As a supporter of the status quo maybe you can tell me why he deserves 21 years as our representative.
Oct. 7, 2013, 4:23 am
Bystander from Bay Ridge says:
joe from bay ridge says:

joe wrote "Bystander it really doesn't matter what Quaglione's position on the Sonda law is as it is a state law and not something he was asked to vote"

My point exactly.

Since yiu're so vocal: Say who you support.
Don't imply (as you have thus far, albeit inadvertently) that Q would be a more progressive choice by default.

He is not.
His campaign, career and local fsme rest entirely on his since-highsvmchool allance with an infamously reactionary-homophobic state senator.

Some (sadly) might think that's swell and want to promote such views and careers.

Some (lacking LT views) wouldn't care if Stalin, Bozo or Butthead were elected as long as they had better R service.

Some, like me, are none of the above.
Oct. 7, 2013, 5:14 am
joe from bay ridge says:
Bystander. I've never claimed or even hinted at saying that Quaglione would be the more progressive choice. But, guilt by association is not the same as the incumbent's homophobic actions.

If truth be told I haven't praised Quaglione at all in this thread and even said I wouldn't vote for him. I am voting third party. I've only asked supporters of the incumbent to give a list of legislative achievements that should come with a. 18 year career. So far I've gotten nothing.

So the reason to vote for the status quo is because he's not an employee of Marty Golden? What was the reason last election cycle?
Oct. 7, 2013, 7:47 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Bystander, Thank You! Your arguments with the obviously well schooled Sophists, Joe/Johnny/Bruce, are spot on ! Joe/John/Bruce ? , Vinny won the last election, like it or not,and we are now in 2013, so let's deal with the election at hand. Besides Vinny being the best candidate , yes , Joe/John/Bruce , another reason for voting for the "status quo" is that Vinny is not the gofer for the Third Ave Tea Party Express!
Oct. 8, 2013, 9:33 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: Okay, you've declared him the best candidate in the race. What do you use to measure that? He's been in office for almost 17 years, surely you can give us a list of great legislative accomplishments that he can hang his hat on.

Why is it that he doesn't even chair a full committee in the Council?

Why didn't he stick to his own term limits position?

Why did he vote against ending discrimination for people based on sexual orientation?

These are all valid questions in an election cycle. it isn't personal as an election is sort of like a job interview. I'm looking for the best person for the job. Do you really think that there is no way we can do better?
Oct. 8, 2013, 2:59 pm
Frankie from Dyker Heights says:
Aine, this Joe/John guy seems to be hung up on the number 17. Has he said the same thing 17 times yet? He says the election isn't personal (could have fooled me) as he will vote for a third party candidate . Who is that candidate? Is it T.T Tetley the 17th. I do have the sneaking suspicion that he will not stop until he reaches ONE57.
Oct. 8, 2013, 3:57 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Frankie , I do believe that Joe/john would probably write in Hedley Lamaar for Councilman and change Bay Ridge into Rock Ridge and have a railroad run through it within 17yrs. .
Oct. 8, 2013, 4:14 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Frankie , I do believe that Joe/john would probably write in Hedley Lamaar for Councilman and change Bay Ridge into Rock Ridge and have a railroad run through it within 17yrs. .
Oct. 8, 2013, 4:14 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
OOPS! Aw but that's only 2x. I beg your pardon!
Oct. 8, 2013, 4:15 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine/Frankie: If you were going to hire someone for a job, wouldn't you ask them for a resume, which lists their accomplishments? Why is this any different? I'm not "hung up" on anything other than the facts. The facts are that the incumbent has been in office for quite some time. Is this not true? The facts are that no one who supports him on this board can tell me what he has done. Isn't that a little troubling?

Let me correct my statement, this is personal as I live in the neighborhood and believe that we deserve a good representative. It isn't personal against the incumbent. I'm sure he is a very nice guy, but nice an effective are two different words.

A dissucsion like this during election season is healthy. I have clearly stated why I'm not voting for the status quo. I do have problems with his main challenger, so I will vote for the third party candidate (btw, his name is Patrick Dwyer and he is running on the Green Line). Of course, I know that Mr. Dwyer will not win, but that doesn't mean that I have to accept the two choices given to me by the two main parties.

Now that I have stated my reason, for not supporting the status quo, can anyone give a well reasoned argument for why they're supporting the incumbent?
Oct. 8, 2013, 4:54 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Frankie,

Joe is really John
With suede patches on the arms
Ramble Ramble On

I think he is a Haiku. Those 17 syllables can sure be annoying.
Oct. 8, 2013, 4:58 pm
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Aine, with all due respect you don't make any sense at all. Can either you or Bystander come up with some solid reasons to vote for Vinny? Such as something substantial he achieved for the district? Anything?
Oct. 8, 2013, 9:01 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Bruce,Vinny goes food shopping,brings the garbage out,does not change diapers,and is an above average guy. Now,Bruce/Joe/John can you give us ONE good reason to vote for the challenger? Give us the Affirmative Offense on the challenger's behalf. You have to" take" the Title in a bout with the reigning champ,not dance around the ring and think your cornerman is going to win it for you!
17 to the third power
Oct. 9, 2013, 7:40 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: Sure, unlike the incumbent, Mr. Dwyer does not support discrimination against anyone for any reason. He has proposals to make the city more environmentally friendly such as installing solar panels to public buildings.

Sorry, that you couldn't provide anything other than a flippant answer to support your choice as our represenative. But, with an incumbent who has done almost nothing for about two decades it is understandable.
Oct. 9, 2013, 9:34 am
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Aine, is that the best you can come up with in support of Vinny, he buys food, takes out his garbage and is an average guy?

Quaglione recognizes that the poor service on the R and N trains is a huge problem for the district in general and Bay Ridge in particular, and is committing himself to do something constructive about it. That's why I'll vote for him, that and the fact that in the 10 years Vinnie's been in office he's gotten almost nothing done.
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:12 am
Aine from Ridge says:
My flippant answer regarded the "Challenger" who is Quaglione , and not some mini Ralph Nader/Ron Paul knockoff. It was a play on his campaign rhetoric. Does Dwyer or any of his backers have an interest in the solar power business? I like the idea of solar energy as long as it is produced by American workers in Union Shops, and not outsourced to crooked contractors with political ties.
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:19 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Bruce, Quaglione said he is an "average guy". I said Vinny was an "above average guy".Brooklyn Daily 02/15/13.
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:25 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Dwyer is as much of a challenger as Quaglione. Both of them will be on the ballot and both are alternatives to the incumbent. To answer your question, Mr. Dwyer engineering technician at Brookhaven National Laboratory, so he will not personally profit off of solar panels being installed in public buildings.

If in fact this idea were to be implemented, there is a very good chance that it would be done union since the city has a Project Labor Agreement with the trades. The project would have to go to the bidder with the lowest responsbile price, and so that could not guarentee that the company would be American.

I'm still curious as to why you support the incumbent?
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:30 am
Aine from Ridge says:
I must say that I believe Bay Ridge is sounding like Rock Ridge. We have Joe Johnson, John Johnson, and Bruce Johnson. Any Howard Johnsons out there? Mel Brooks , where are you when we need you?
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:31 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Dwyer,as much as a challenger as Q. Really! Think he will get 17% ?
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:34 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Oh, you mean like City Time and the 911 call center.
Oct. 9, 2013, 11:41 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Joe, a Haiku for you!

Curiosity
An Annoying thing to Thee
Curiosity
Oct. 9, 2013, 12:14 pm
joe from bay ridge says:
Aine. The percentage of vote Mr Dwyer receives vs. Quaglione is of little importance. Both candidates will appear on the ballot and both are alternatives to the status quo. The addiction to the two political parties by American voters is another story. Mr Dwyer will probably not have the resources to get to 17 percent, but that doesn't mean that he is not a challenger.

You still haven't given a positive defense of the status quo.
Oct. 9, 2013, 12:20 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
The percentage of the vote is of little importance. Really! Nice try! Vote poaching! Your poly/sci professors must have really been on the ball. I don't need a defense, Vinny holds the title. Note my previous boxing analogy post!
Oct. 9, 2013, 1:19 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: So right now in the election process the only post that the incumbent holds is Democratic/Working Families Party nominee. He and you as a supporter should be able to offer a reason (s) why he should retain the govenrment position that he currently holds. If that is a hard task, which it seems to be for you, that must tell you something, right?

As to your previous boxing analogy, I gave you two solid reasons why I'm supporting Mr. Dwyer. And no the percentage of the vote that he ultimately recieves does not discredit his status as a challenger. Mr. Dwyer met the legal obligation and garnered enough signatures to place him on the ballot. As I stated earlier, the fact that this country has a chronic addiction to the two major political parties, does not take away his status as a challenge to the status quo.

It is pathetic that the incumbent has supporters such as yourself who cannot defend his record. Ultimately,the power of incumbency will most likely allow him to retain his position, but we as a community we will be the true losers.
Oct. 9, 2013, 4:41 pm
Jacob Kolonblow from Haggis says:
John Quaglione obviously has no idea how city government works. If he wants to be #1 in funding, he'll have to move in some housing projects and residential drug and alcohol treatment programs for homeless and formerly incarcerated men into Bay Ridge. I guess that's his plan to be #1. Go get em, John John!
Oct. 9, 2013, 4:41 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Jacob: That's absurd.
Oct. 9, 2013, 5:02 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Yeah,Joe, sorry you won't be able to grow tomatoes on your rooftop garden. Nothing like a home grown tomato! As to my boxing analogy, if you get it, than you know the challenger has to bring it, you know "the power of incumbency". The challenger has to take it away! Like I said Dwyer will be a vote poacher, you know it,and is a around the bout maneuver to covertly campaign for Quaglione , and his tea party puppeteers whose strategy is to take over State and Municipal legislative bodies to further their radical right wing agendas.
Oct. 9, 2013, 7:05 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: Luckily this isn't boxing or any other sport for that matter and you shouldn't view it as such. We live in a community filled with highly educated and functional people, who deserve a representative that they can be proud of. Unfortunately, you can't even give me one affirmative reason to vote for the incumbent!

If I thought for one moment that the Tea Party could take over the NYC Council your argument might make sense to me. Right now there are only three Republicans in the City Council. In a body with 51 seats, the GOP would be lucky to pick up 5 seats in 2013. There are many in the Tea Bag movement who are delusional, but I highly doubt there is anyone who believes that they could possibly ever take the NYC Council.

Our problem in NYC in 2014, is one party rule! The Democrats will control the Mayoralty, Comptroller's office, Public Advocate and City Council. There will effectively be no check on the Democratic Party. That is not healthy for any democracy.

Stop viewing politics as sports and start looking to put the best people in office. We can do better than the status quo and we shouldn't just settle for "well, he's better than the other guy" mentality.
Oct. 9, 2013, 9:44 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
No matter how you frame it , you cannot hide the fact that you are a republican shill . Thank goodness there are only three with the force multiplier of Bloombucks!
Oct. 10, 2013, 3:24 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
A Republican shill who is going to vote for a Green? How does that even make sense?

Or in your world if you don't just accept the status quo without question that makes you a Republican?

Come back when you can defend your position.
Oct. 10, 2013, 6:45 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Exactly my point ! The Green Party,really! You're a shill !
Oct. 11, 2013, 7:56 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
How is voting Green being a shill for the Republican party? My biggest issue against the incumbent is his failure to stand up for the rights of gays and lesbians in this state. Is that an issue the GOP is fighting for? I'm voing for the more progressive candidate.

If I were a shill for the Republican Party, I would vote for their candidate. But, I have many problems with his worldview. You on the other hand cannot give me affirmative reason to vote for the incumbent.

You can't show me a single legislative accomplishment.

You can't show me how his committee chairmanship is important to the community.

Up until recently, with the addition of his Chief of Staff, his district office was a mess. I will now admit that his Chief of Staff has done an amazing job of turning things around in that office. I would gladly vote for him, if he was on the ballot.

But, in the past, the imcumbent was accused of sexually harrassing his former chief of staff. Is that something you're supporting in this election?

Without wild accusations of a Tea Party takeover of the City Council, or progressives working as operatives or acting as shills for the GOP, can't you just tell us why you're voting for your man?
Oct. 11, 2013, 11 am
Aine from Ridge says:
OK, Music Man, I like him. So, there it is! I am also glad to hear that the Chief has an amazing staff ! We know that it is the Indians who make the Chief ! But, I still say that you speak with "forked tongue". Trying to do a hatchet job on Vinny with vote poaching !
Oct. 11, 2013, 11:35 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: With all due respect I haven't performed any "hatchet job on Vinny" and nothing I've written about him is factually inaccurate.

He did vote against the term limits extension and he is now running for a third term.

He did run as a taxcutter and then voted to raise income and sales taxes.

He did tell LAMBDA that he would support SONDA and then he went on to vote against it.

He was accused of sexually harrassing his chief of staff.

All of these are well documented truths.

I'm not advocating to vote against the status quo for the heck of it. I'm saying that we can do better than what we have and we should send that message.

Now maybe you can show me that I'm wrong. Maybe the items mentioned about are insignificant and he actually has a better record than I'm aware of. But, you as a supporter haven't shown me as much. All you give me is "Vote for Vinny because I like him". That doesn't wash with an important position.
Oct. 11, 2013, 4:48 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Joe/John/Bruce maybe the term HATCHET JOB was a little insensitive to use with a phony Green Party supporter. I should have used " AGENT ORANGED' to describe your covert republican shill operation! Change my mind and please give some info on Dwyer besides solar panels and roof top cultivation. Is it "forked tongue" or more appropriately "Pitched forked tongue"?
Oct. 12, 2013, 9:52 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: No actually I've given you several reasons for my support for Dwyer and you've given me nothing in return. You can label the well documented things that I've written to discredit Gentile as a "hatchet job" or "agent oranged" (whatever that even means) but you can't disprove any of it. And why can't you disprove it. Well, because it's all true.

Gentile is not the progressive choice in this election and anyone who has followed his career knows this to be true.

But, if you'd like to learn about more progressive policies that Dwyer supports you can look to his proposals on community board appointments, where he plans on taking the political favoritism out of the process and give citizens a choice. He would also join the growing number of progressive Council Members who support participatory budgeting (unlike the incumbent). The people in Bay Ridge are smart enough to know what our tax dollars should be spent on - why won't the incumbent give us a choice?

So now I've given you several reasons to support the more progressive candidate and so far you've only come back with disrespect and woefully poor attempts to insult me. Why is it so hard to list reasons as to why you support the status quo? Is he so embarrassingly incompetent that you as a supporter can't rattle off a legislative accomplishments that make up a 17 year career?

You really should care more about your community and not give your vote away based on Party pettiness.

Oct. 12, 2013, 10:15 am
Krystal from Bay Ridge says:

Vincent Gentile is the best man for our community. Everyone counts on Vinny for help and he comes through over and over.

Quglione is inexperienced and at the debate he lost his composure several times.
Oct. 12, 2013, 7:08 pm
joe from bay ridge says:
Thanks, Krystal, for yet another fluffy adjective given as a reason to stick with the status quo. Could this really really be the candidate without a tangible reason to vote for him?
Oct. 12, 2013, 10:47 pm
joe from bay ridge says:
I know what agent orange is it is your use of it that baffles me. And nothing I've written about in t of Mr Dwyer is unrealistic as things like participatory budgeting are already going on in districts throughout the city.

But, again if I've agent oranged Vinny (a chemical weapon used by a Democratic President) please tell me how? By telling the truth?

And still you haven't given one affirmative reason to support the status quo. How sad.
Oct. 13, 2013, 11:04 am
joe from bay ridge says:
Aine. In your mind does being a Republican shill mean telling the truth? Because nothing I've written supports the local or national Republican party. And yet you keep on making this absurd charge. In fact the positions that I have expressed support for are all left of the Democratic incumbent.

Writing that LBJ was the President who first used agent orange in Vietnam is not anti Dem, it is just factual. The fact that Nixon went on to continue the same immoral policy doesn't wash history clean.

And no I'm not going to write anything in support of Quaglione as I'm not a supporter of his.

You on the other hand cannot come up with one accomplishment for your man in 17 years. But, hey he's a nice guy, so why not give him another four years, right?

Pathetic.
Oct. 13, 2013, 1:13 pm
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Aine: First, Gentile has never been a "thorn in the side of the Mayor". That's almost as absurd as your Tea Party threat to take over the City Council claim.. Name me one thing that the incumbent has prevented the Mayor from doing? Please don't think very hard because you won't come up with anything.

Gentile personally went after the Mayor when he ran for the City Council race in the special election, where he barely garnered enough votes to win the seat. His campaign sent out a mailer showing the Mayor's private home. Inside the mailer it said that only people who live in homes like this can afford tax increases. But, then Gentile in his first stated Council meeting went on to vote tax increases for all of us! Way to go, Vinnie! How did this help our community?

And yes, I did heap praise on Gentile's chief of staff. But, let's examine the incumbent's staff record before the current guy. In 17 years in office, Gentile went through over a dozen chiefs of staff. Many of them quit after less than a year of service. One of them quit after he complained of sexual harassment.

Why don't you mention this record?

And btw, no one can take a vote away from anyone. Candidates have to earn votes on their own. You give your vote away based on Party. I actually believe that people have to earn their votes. In 17 years Gentile has done nothing as a legislator and you can't show me that he has. Therefore, I will go with the guy who is running a more progressive campaign.

This Green/Republican alliance only exists in your head.
Oct. 13, 2013, 5:33 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Joe, if a reader accessed this sight today , they would not understand your retort to my comments as they were removed by the BP. I do not believe my comments violated any of the terms for posting comments. Hmmm? Reading your comments ,although, we disagree,I believe what I believe, and visa versa, I do believe though, that you would think that as shameful action!
Oct. 14, 2013, 11:20 am
joe from bay ridge says:
Aine; Wow! I didn't know that the paper removed some of your comments. That is indeed shameful. While it is true that we disagreed for the most part we did have a respectful back and forth. I can't for the life of me think of anything that you posted that deserved to be censored.

As a progressive Aine, I will always fight for your right to be wrong (just kidding - sort of).
Oct. 14, 2013, 11:47 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Thank You Joe, I knew that would be your sentiment.Yes, it is indeed shameful that a spirited debate would be censored by BP. Well, I am glad that we see eye to eye on this one! Guess you can't be wrong all the time (just kidding, sort of ). Thanks again!
Oct. 14, 2013, 2:10 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
OK, Joe, now I will surrender and admit that I was having a grand old time trying to bust chops and avoid answering the question of why I would vote for Vinny and your so-called status-quo .I too am a progressive and fear the changes that occurred in the 2010 congressional elections where ultra-right wingers were elected and a whole new Ayn Rand philosophy has taken hold and we no longer feel the obligation to take care of our own. Think hurricane Sandy and the Tea party's reluctance to give aid to Americans that come from States that are donor States without some shakedown or giveback.Most of those Reps come from recipient states that get back way more in federal dollars than they send to D.C.They seem to be the moochers that the RNC and Romney were talking about when referring to Americans that have been effected by this new Gilded Age Plutocracy of vulture capitalism that was aided and abetted by the activist Supreme Court in its Citizen United decision and the Tea Party geryymandering. The strategy of taking over State Legislatures and Municipalities is key to bringing their radical agenda to fruition, and is aided every day by their media propaganda machine,their money and embraced by the under informed electorate . In their minds, today, President Eisenhower would be deemed a socialist pinko. So, I feel , that I must not waste a vote and help these tiny little tea leaves. As of now, anyway. It could happen here as we have been seeing!
Oct. 14, 2013, 4:11 pm
joe from bay ridge says:
Aine: if i thought for a moment that the Tea Party or even the traditional Republican Party could take over the New York City Council I would be with you. But, the NYC Council is one of the most lopsided legislatures in favor of one party in the country. Democrats control 48 of the 51 seats and Gentile is one of the more conservative members of that body.

I keep hearing that Bay Ridge has changed and shifted more to the left. I actually believe that to be true and recent elections back that up. So why don't we see this reflected in the Council? I'm tired of well meaning Democrats believing that they're voting for a progressive candidate when they cast their vote for the incumbent. A progressive wouldn't vote against SONDA or lie to his constituents as often as he does.

The Tea Party doesn't have its hand in NYC. There are some crazies who believes their nonsense in South Brooklyn and Staten Island, but their numbers are so small as to make them insignificant.

We can do better in this community and to reward the incumbent with four more years is quite frankly irresponsible.
Oct. 14, 2013, 5:47 pm
Aine from Ridge says:
Joe, I believe that not voting for the incumbent would have grimm( and golden/maliotakis) consequences if JQ were to win. I don't believe that "Their" numbers are so small as to be insignificant. Our Congressional Rep seems to be aligned with those teazies,and it took fellow Republican, Long Island Rep Pete King to rein him in a little. Imagine that! So, I don' believe that casting my vote for the incumbent is irresponsible,just realistic.
Oct. 15, 2013, 8:29 am
joe from bay ridge says:
AIne: if we were talking about the congressional seat I would agree with you. But, we're talking about the NYC Council, where 48 of the 51 members are Democrats, many of them are left of center Dems. Nationally we do have to fight the Tea Party loons. Next year I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination against Grimm. But, locally we don't face the same threat.
Oct. 15, 2013, 8:42 am
Bruce from Bay Ridge says:
Voting for Quaglione is NOT a vote for the Tea Party. Not even close. This election should be decided on the basis of Vinny's record, which doesn't merit re-election. We can't keep incompetents in local elected office because of a misplaced fear of national political implications. I hate the Tea Party and think that much of their actions are literally treason, but they have absolutely nothing to do with this local race.
Oct. 16, 2013, 8:48 am
Aine from Ridge says:
Bruce,voting for Quaglione is not a vote for the tea party as he would probably bring a box of Tetley with him if invited to one of those craze-ins. I do not think it is a misplaced fear as I am sure you know of their strategy of winning State and Local seats to further their radical un-American right wing agenda.Their seditious agenda ,I pray,has not gained a real foothold here ,but never say never! Look at that loon Lonegan next door in Jersey running for the Senate. Look JQ is a nice guy but he is just Golden's coat carrier,and gaining a Council Seat would be Golden's way of giving JQ a promotion for his loyalty to him,and controlling the City Council Seat all at the same time ! I'll vote for Vinny and one reason is that JQ is not going to fix the one subway line into Bay Ridge, as JQ's mentor ,the State Senator who sits on the MTA board hasn't been able to do ! Vote for experience not a Golden legacy !
Oct. 16, 2013, 4:55 pm

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