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“From here to White Castle” may get a little longer now that the ground has been sold out from under the burger joint that has served Williamsburg the chain’s famous sliders since 1992.

The owners of the family-run, fast-food chain, which has been a Brooklyn institution since the 1930s and the muse for many early Beastie Boys songs, opened its Williamsburg location on Metropolitan Avenue near Humboldt Street around 1992, but the company never bought the land it was sitting on, said regional director John Vogt.

“It’s a shame that we didn’t buy that property years ago,” said Vogt, who opened that store himself and said the company couldn’t afford the cost of the property these days. It sold for an astounding amount that you’ll learn if you read the next paragraph.

A business called 781 Metro Investors last month purchased the sprawling property, which includes a drive-thru lane and ample parking, for $6.72 million.

Vogt said White Castle is in negotiations with the new owner to extend its lease, but acknowledged that it might be a lost cause.

“You’re 100 feet from the subway,” said Vogt. “It has everything you need.”

If the legendary slider slingers cannot agree on lease terms with the new owners, the company plans to look for another location in Williamsburg. And, yes, they plan for it to be another one of the iconic castle constructions.

“We’ll find something with more visibility and a better corner,” said Vogt.

Today, there are eight White Castles in Brooklyn, just two down from the 10 the company owned at its height. All the existing restaurants have the classic castle design. A storefront location on Willoughby Street closed two years ago.

Vogt said the castle-shaped buildings are ideal.

“We’ve had some problems with the storefront locations,” said Vogt. “It’s better to have them in our own buildings.”

Of course, the most famous White Castle was on 92nd Street in Bay Ridge, because it was featured in the John Travolta movie, “Saturday Night Fever.” It closed more than 20 years ago.

Reach reporter Danielle Furfaro at dfurfaro@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2511. Follow her at twitter.com/DanielleFurfaro.
Updated 10:12 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Bohemian Goombah from Morgantown says:
Good riddance!
June 20, 2013, 1:21 am
21st century person from gentrified brooklyn says:
Get this relic of Neanderthal Brooklyn out of our sight asap. No one that lives here now would ever think of even feeding our pets such trash. How did you people ever eat such garbage?

The mouth breathing, knuckledragging, lowlifes can get their "belly bombers", and resulting health problems in the suburbs, where they belong.
June 20, 2013, 3:02 am
diehipster from Brooklyn's Better Half says:
What is especially funny is that the first two commenters above this real Brooklynite's comment would be the first ones eating SLIDERS if an "artisanal, locally-sourced, craft-ale" bar opened in this exact location. How 'ironic'.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA yups and hipsters are so easily pegged.
June 20, 2013, 5:06 am
Dan M. from Boerum Hill says:
Good thing Harold & Kumar didn't know Brooklyn had so many White Castles, it would have prevented 90 minutes of hilarity
June 20, 2013, 5:28 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
I hope it becomes a very tall building with many many residences in it.
June 20, 2013, 6:35 am
T-Bone from DoBro says:
When the Shake Shack arrived at the end of the Fulton Mall, we were happy to see the White Castle on Willoughby close. Now it's a check cashing store front. D'oh! These things take time. Which we have lots of since, unlike White Castle, we own our home.
June 20, 2013, 7:28 am
ty from pps says:
And Inez (Dennis?) is still using this convoluted, self-created definition of misanthropy....
June 20, 2013, 7:28 am
diehipster from Blowtorching Brices says:
ty, I had no idea you were an ugly old woman. Although I did think you were one of those Brawny Man on estrogen types. Please pick me up some $7.00 organic parsley at the food co-op later.
June 20, 2013, 7:47 am
manposeur from brokeland says:
nooo!!!! I need my fast food junk after my drunk crawl!!!
June 20, 2013, 7:53 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, why do you implicitly [always] defend Ethan herein? I mean, I can understand defending Ethan the human being, because this grants him right to live and love on the Earth unmolested and unmolesting. But I don't understand your defense of his retreat into pseudonymity [and thus understand Its power he labors to prevent its practice in [the] Other/s, as in when he previously admonished DH, you as well as all the others participating on this Brooklyn Paper board, not to use multiple pseudonyms--an instruction that directly and flagrantly contradicts his own practice of writing under multiple pseudonyms across many different venues that we're both familiar with {BP here, but also the Waterfront Week, between that and Ex-Static Press, L Magazine, Gothamist etc etc etc}]. Especially when pseudonymous he writes what we both and everyone else read, "Get this relic of Neanderthal Brooklyn out of our sight asap. No one that lives here now would ever think of even feeding our pets such trash. How did you people ever eat such garbage? The mouth breathing, knuckledragging, lowlifes can get their "belly bombers", and resulting health problems in the suburbs, where they belong."

And its anomalous or aberrant. It's every single time Ethan or someone similar to him expresses this particular sentiment. That's why I know the definition of 'misanthropy' than you could ever possibly comprehend.
June 20, 2013, 8:03 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
...And Its *not anomalous or aberrant.

P.S. "Inez" also posting herein is correct about Ethan posting this in the middle of the night. Instead of enabling him, you should be wondering about his health, because insomnia? Really? Picture that, Ethan and you as well as all the others in that chain of bochinche that seduces Power in North Brooklyn, in the middle of the night, dark, contriving lighting and agonizing, enduring or indulging stimulant, with Nothing but Thought, and to know It is expended in such bile and defended, too? YOU ARE DISGUSTING. More so than Ethan ever was.
June 20, 2013, 8:07 am
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Dennis's prose is like what's in the toilet after a trip to White Castle. Except that the words are the poo. Both are messy.
June 20, 2013, 8:08 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I ask mi-Rey for All Time: why did "You" e/merge from re/pose to Create?
June 20, 2013, 8:10 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I ask mi-Rey for All Time: why did "You" e/merge from re/pose to Create?
June 20, 2013, 8:10 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
T-Bone, TY, Ethan, DieHipster, whoever who cares,

That was constructive. And if per/chance you are Ethan et al [and remember the et al], ask yourself, was it worth It?
June 20, 2013, 8:12 am
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Yep, we're all the same person. Me, Ty, Die Hipster... SwampYankee too.

Does anyone else think that Dennis and this Ethan guy should battle it out on the rooftop of the Domino Sugar factory - Highlander style? Seriously, get a room, you two.
June 20, 2013, 9:10 am
ty from pps says:
I just think Dennis should learn to write. After that, he can do whatever he wants with Ethan. Who is Ethan, by the way?
June 20, 2013, 9:20 am
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Go back to that chicken article. Dennis and this Ethan character have gone back and forth, running it up hundreds of comments. Some bizarre love spat from their artist commune days or something. It's like going into the Twilight Zone.
June 20, 2013, 10 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
TY, I'm flattered by your envy of my writing style. You're clearly fixed on It. Every single response focuses on my writing. Or, needing to say you're superior to me--another popular one. Really. I'm flattered by how you're always fantasizing you're over me. Because, we all know you think those thoughts, remember? We could go back to that chicken article, as T-Bone suggests. Though an imbecile like him doesn't understand the irony seeing others through the prism of the Twilight Zone.
June 20, 2013, 10:16 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And he's also a tad illiterate. I never claimed all these avatars were the same person, as he writes. I ADDRESSED all those people, and more, as in "et al." There's a difference someone raised by a television couldn't possibly detect. I doubt you would either, TY, though you seethe over my writing.

As for me and Ethan getting a room: Ew. If ever there was evidence Ty and T-Bone are the same person, it would be this, since they both like that salacious bochinche that imagines the sex lives of their neighbors. That's how they roll in the agency of gentrification: gossiping, insinuating and innuendo about personal especially sexual lives.
June 20, 2013, 10:20 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, answer the question. Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?"
June 20, 2013, 10:25 am
ty from pps says:
So, Dennis.... Why is it when you decide to "defend" your writing, you seem to switch to a non-nutjob style?

Or should I say when you de/fend y/our writing herein, you seem to sw/itch to an un/molested and un/molesting style herein when addressing your non-misanthropic admonishment of my/self et alii [an remember et al. is an abbreviation]?
June 20, 2013, 10:31 am
ty from pps says:
And, Dennis, since you fancy yourself a wordly man... "hobbying" in etymology and philology... the reason I point out your stupid usage of misanthropy is that the word has a connotation of generality -- mankind/humankind *in general*, suggesting a person who tends toward isolation and separation from ALL humanity. There are MANY MANY words to describe what you are trying to describe, but none of them are misanthropy. The English language is already extremely rich. You don't need to make up twisted definitions for words with accepted and commonly understood meanings.
June 20, 2013, 10:37 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Nonsense, Ty. Unlike you or Ethan, I am consistent in thought, style, argumentation, belief and practice. Ethan posted several outrages that begged response, and your silence over his conduct is telling. Engaging Ethan requires a deep understanding of what is meant by "projective inversion" and it is an uncanny coincidence amongst the persons comprising his et al [a term by which you, with magniloquent superiority, want to "correct" me on though my stated definition of "et al" states no error] that they share t/his characteristic. For example, you talk about me "switching" because this is in fact a projective inversion of your own conduct. Un/molested [and more evidence and still flattering and not insulting or bothering me at all your envied miming/fixing on my writing style while also, ew though, bringing it back to the salaciousness of your imagination] you are silent on bike lanes and cafes and galleries. You only present and introduce yourself on these threads to defend responses against these enterprises [DieHipster a glaring example], and always with rhetoric similar to Ethan's, such as the very first comment in this thread. ALWAYS. Which is "switching" between your presentation not just to others but also in the deceptions you tell yourself: that you're not a bigot. That, in fact, you are the furthest thing from bigot because you support enterprises such as these and these enterprises represent on your behalf the idea of the humanities. All the while you're dissonant to the fact that yours is a miserable life--you don't enjoy cafes, bike lanes or restaurants as experiences uniquely unto themselves. You "experience" and "express" but really "ex/posit" them because they vicariously express your contempt for other people. So, really, you should seek a doctor to talk about this queer symptom of yours, to exhibit all these characteristics while calling others "nutjobs."
June 20, 2013, 10:40 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And that last post is only furtherance of your "nutjobbism"--you are unashamedly fixed on my writing style. You want to pretend you can't get to the content until you pierce the style but that only emphasizes your amateurishness: you copy and mime my style, even exhibit characteristics of my writing while projecting insults and accusations about me personally, credible indications of deep reading. You know my content because you know my style. And you, like Ethan, have nothing but ad hominem. At times mildly eloquent, but never substantive. And it's an uncanny irony of mi-Rey's Creation that It is precisely these persons hobbled by their limitations with the largest egos.
June 20, 2013, 10:45 am
ty from pps says:
Yes, Dennis. I don't use bike lanes for transportation. And I don't go to cafes or bars for food, socializing and drink. These are all expressions of White Power. In fact, whenever I see a person of color on a bike and sneer at them. The fact that I, myself, have been "priced out" of several apartments/neighborhoods during my many years living in Brooklyn... well, that just means it's working! Success!

(By the way, I was pointing out that et al. takes a period when written... it's an abbreviation of et allii or et alliae. Ya know, an abbreviations, like Dr. or e.g. I know how much you like "creative" punctuation, but it's good to understand the rules before breaking them.)

Again, contempt for *some* people is not misanthropy. :-)
June 20, 2013, 10:51 am
ty from pps says:
HAHAHAHA!

Another example! You 11:40am comment was is glorious nutjob style. But your 11:45am comment defending your writing was written using standard English. Interesting, no?
June 20, 2013, 10:53 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I highly recommend and have even read DieHipster represent the "leisure" of the agents of gentrification in terms evoking Thorstein Veblen's The Theory of the Leisure Class for further exploration into the type of syndrome suffered by Ty. Namely, the idea of consuming products for their intrinsic worth and service, and consumption, extrinsic, to demonstrate but really feign superiority over others.
June 20, 2013, 10:55 am
ty from pps says:
sorry... et alii and et aliae. I do enjoy a double-L, don't you? I think I'll try to integrate more doublle-LLs as an expression of my misanthropy.
June 20, 2013, 10:55 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, really. I'm telling you: I'm deeply flattered.
June 20, 2013, 10:56 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Well, of course there's a utilitarian dimension to your consumption. If you read Veblen's Leisure Class as I just recommended you'll also read an authority who acknowledges the tangible realities of consumption. Of course you use bike lanes and yadda yadda yadda. I never denied those things. I never said they were an expression of White Power, though--an interesting interpolation by you. I have said Ethan is a white supremacist and I don't mean that in the easy way someone will call someone they don't like "Adolf Hitler." I mean, Ethan is a fetishist of fascism and Nazism. He is enthralled by the master-slave principle so eloquently told, sometimes espoused, by Nietzche. You're quite the narcissist [related to projective inversion] that you see yourself in every word of my writing. No, when I mean Ethan I write "Ethan" and when I mean you I explicitly mention "you." Like I've already said, I'm deeply flattered by your obsessed construction [because, technically your troublesome misrepresentations don't exactly 'deconstruct' my writing as they create an alternative universe embedded within your troubled psyche of what you think, feverish, about my "style"].
June 20, 2013, 11:01 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
What I did write, and you're avoiding or possibly failing to detect, is that you introduce yourself on these threads to defend inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, often to repeat and further It. ALWAYS. You don't offer any progressive additions to society. You don't further dialogue. You don't add ideas. You "correct" in your mind--and that's essential. And not just with me--with everyone. Not some. Everyone. You don't talk but to espouse or defend hate. You don't pacify, you enrage. You talk about "bike lanes" "cafes" "galleries" not with their intrinsic characteristics or qualities. No, you reference them in juxtaposition against your neighbors, who you deem unworthy and unfit. ALWAYS. So whether you believe yourself to actually be a "philanthropist" as in the original sense of the term, you need to do considerable work to balance and remedy the venom you support and hate in public but always cowardly behind a pseudonym.
June 20, 2013, 11:05 am
ty from pps says:
I highly recommend Thorstein Veblen's The Theory of the Leisure Class for further exploration into the type of syndrome suffered by Ty. In fact, I have seen DieHipster represent the "leisure" of the agents of gentrification in a manner evoking the work of Veblen. This includes the contrasting conceptions of consumption as related to the intrinsic value of that which is consumed set against consumption as an extrinsic demonstration of superiority or otherness divorced from the intrinsic value of the good or service.

Is that what you meant?
June 20, 2013, 11:05 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You know, I've often wondered if you were a proofreader. Have you ever seen a crowd of them? I've experienced a few. And each time their entire dialogue was contempt for writers they can't rise to but they had to read. Their essential dissonance is their confusion between "reading" and "writing." That is, they can't write. They can only "correct." They confuse their marginalia WITH body, unaware that flatulence is marginalia OF the body.
June 20, 2013, 11:14 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"HOW DID YOU PEOPLE EVER EAT SUCH GARBAGE?"

Good Lord. This is balls! And it ain't Chooch Buster, I assure you. But I'm thrilled someone else out there has got the gumption to set these mooks straight.

First of all folks. Just look at this thing on the face of it. This is CORPORATE JUNK FOOD! This is a textbook example of big business spoon feeding crap to morons! And it's been going on for half a century in this borough. "You people" should be ashamed of yourselves!

You're telling me food coops, artisanal food, independent restaurants, hipster vegan joints, are LESS DESIRABLE than White Castle? Are you out of your stooopit skulls?

Noam Chomsky talks about how corporate America took over capitalism in the 20th century. In the 19th century you had a "proprietary" capitalism that was no bed of roses, but it was competitive. It was about independent businesses competing to give people the best products at the best price. It's only in this century where you have food monopolies, huge companies, saying hey, we'll bring the prices way way down below what any small guy can afford to charge, except we'll feed the people doo-doo.

And THIS corporate force-feeding regime is what the chooches of Brooklyn call "authentic" ??? You don't like artisanal burgers because they cost three times what you pay at White Castle? But wait a minute, you WEIGH three times what you should! Why don't you drop the extra 250 pounds with a workout in a local yoga studio, eat half as much in the first place, and then you'll be even! AND in better health!

You STOOPIT MOOKS think gentrification is some kind of a violation of your lives. You don't get that you've been violated all your lives, and what comes with gentrification are opportunities to empower yourselves and improve your lives.
June 20, 2013, 11:14 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I've got mounds of work that needs proofing, reader. Can I post some here and get some more free labor from you? haha
June 20, 2013, 11:15 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, your argument is ostensibly valid. As you already know, that same argument applies to many of those things that Ty pretends she supports for their intrinsic worth. However, if "gentrification" were "development" we have to explain why we use the Form/er over the latter, and the "why" is the crucial threshold of gentrification that your summary neglects or deliberately overlooks: namely, that gentrification is displacement and that any comprehension of any development or enterprise is entirely separate because the displaced are therein deprived of place. You can't talk about how people are benefitted with the benefits deprived of them.
June 20, 2013, 11:19 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
It should be mentioned that this entire thread would be entirely absent of venom from any side of any position if there was focus on the common denominator between ALL the arguments: that White Castle is indeed a noxious business and posed no worth or benefit to the community. But again, people here are not talking about the intrinsic worth of White Castle. Its own characteristics and qualities. They're talking about White Castle as symbolic of a population and their hatred bangs against this proxy.
June 20, 2013, 11:22 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The Theory of the Leisure Class, give me a break Dennis, you're on crack! Thorstein Veblen would be HORRIFIED by White Castle. A grass-fed Angus with a mug of craft beer is something he'd recognize as fit for consumption. But McDonalds? White Castle? Kennedy Fried Chicken? Walt Whitman would be puking in the streets just from the smell of these places. And this is your "authentic" Brooklyn.

Folks! Embrace the Chooch! My buddy, Bohemian Goombah, who started this thread, and me. We're nice guys. We're good fellas. Come over to Teddy's and have a beer with us.
June 20, 2013, 11:23 am
Bohemian Goombah from Morgantown says:
... Oh no, Chooch, don't say that!
June 20, 2013, 11:24 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
But you know, your obfuscation aside, Ty, please stop avoiding the question: why do you never express anything but hatred and contempt for your neighbors? You know, you've been accused of this by others, not just me, so don't just think of this as some jab by me. If you don't care, que sera sera. If you do care, maybe you want to pay attention to more than just my writing style. Maybe there's some veracity, some worth and meaning to the idea that you have this triple life--miming for your neighbors that whole "upstanding citizen" thing in public while projecting a private hatred of them on the Internet, and, topping It off, obsessive proofreader of my writing.
June 20, 2013, 11:29 am
ty from pps says:
Suggesting that you should write in a way that is comprehensible by others is "obfuscation"?

I'm done with you.
June 20, 2013, 11:32 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Wha? Whaaa ? White Castle is "noxious" and it has no "intrinsic worth", but it's an important "symbol" for the people? So you want to elide the substance of White Castle, which is $hitty food, and elevate the place as a "symbol of your people" and talk about that for three days? You gots to straighten out your values, son.
June 20, 2013, 11:32 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Oh! Ty expresses hatred and contempt for his neighbors! That's rich. And who does Mr. "White Artists Go Home" express hatred and contempt for. Who does Mr. "Hipsters Drop Dead" express hatred and contempt for.
June 20, 2013, 11:34 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, don't pretend you didn't read my post but in case someone else missed It, I'll simply copy-paste: "It should be mentioned that this entire thread would be entirely absent of venom from any side of any position if there was focus on the common denominator between ALL the arguments: that White Castle is indeed a noxious business and posed no worth or benefit to the community. But again, people here are not talking about the intrinsic worth of White Castle. Its own characteristics and qualities. They're talking about White Castle as symbolic of a population and their hatred bangs against this proxy."

And Ethan, remember, I know you like to pretend you know authors, but don't confuse Baudrillard, Scholem and Veblen. They all say different things, okay? Ironically, you'd be a case study for Veblen: like Ty here you don't support consumption for its intrinsic worth but to feign superiority. That is perfectly articulated in your references to Veblen, Chomsky, Lacan, Duchamp--all thinkers you've never read, and when you have, you've either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented. Your "investigation" is like Ty's "reading"; you name-drop to express contempt for others. "Conspicuous consumption" is what Veblen calls It.
June 20, 2013, 11:34 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, no Ethan. I know It's tough and brain matter dwindles, sadly, but no, I never said the People consider White Castle a "symbol." I said you and others, like your other avatar Goombah as well as Ty, have imposed it as "symbolic" of the People. You're saying you want White Castle closed in a few words or less, and the remaining rhetoric floods with hate for the neighborhood. That whole projective inversion thing again. Tricky, I know. But someday you may get It. I can always tell you, but I'm waiting for the epitaph on your gravestone.
June 20, 2013, 11:37 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
HEY! I'm not saying these bozos represent the loving heart of Chooch Brooklyn. They do not. They're two dingbats out of 3 million people in the course of 20 years. But I'm from Brooklyn, and I'll knock their heads together if I have to. WOULDN'T YOU?
June 20, 2013, 11:38 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, clearly my work is "comprehensible" to you. How else could you have "corrected" my writing if you weren't "comprehending" It? And I'm not worried, toots. I know you're not done with me. Right now you're seething in some proofreading hatred, waiting for more of my punctuation.
June 20, 2013, 11:39 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I know, Ethan. I know. Let me tell you something, some mamby pamby stuff, before we hurl another insult at each other: I saw you. Months ago. Early in the morning. 6am-ish. The corridor between the L train and the 1/2/3/9 at 6th Avenue. You bore the floor in front of you with beams from your eyes than look at me. But I looked at you. I saw you. I see you. And you looked tired. Haggard. Defeated, maybe? It's hard for me to think of you that way because, really, no one has ever honored me with ruthless fight like you. And I wanted to come over and hug you, I worried about the way you looked. I worry about you now. What are you doing here, brother? This spectacle has been most shameful, and still I share with you that Spark of Darkness, urbanum tremendum et fascinans. Be well. Take heart. If anything you should ever happen to you I will mourn, and not in secret. Not in "simple" concealment or pseudonymity, but under "my real name."
June 20, 2013, 11:44 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
" ... you don't support consumption for its intrinsic worth but to feign superiority."

BWAAH HA HA HA HA HA. So I get an arugula salad on Bedford Avenue for lunch, instead of deep fried do-do from White Castle, because I want to to "feign superiority." Of course, Dennis! You don't think I'd do it for my health!
June 20, 2013, 11:44 am
ty from pps says:
To be clear, I didn't "correct" your writing. I corrected it -- no scare quotes.

But keep poking at me, I'm sure you'll get me to engage you again. It's so worthwhile.
June 20, 2013, 11:45 am
T-Bone from DoBro says:
If Dennis put half the effort that he does on his "tl;dr" comments as he does to a trade, he could afford to buy a home and not be "displaced."

But, have at it buddy. Keep bloviating on every blog in Brooklyn as the world moves on without you.
June 20, 2013, 11:50 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"If anything you should ever happen to you I will mourn, and not in secret."

You threatening me, Dennis? Does your turgid mess of jargon even comprehend that it is a federal offense to threaten on the Web? What, you're looking for another 30 Days?
June 20, 2013, 11:51 am
bobo baiter from brooklyn says:
What time for Teddy's, Chooch belly? Is Teddy's some kind of a "safe word" for you? Summon Felice at once, she'll take care of this for you?
June 20, 2013, 11:52 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
BLOVIATING! Great word. (Oh yeah that's, right, Dennis, T-Bone is Chooch Buster.)
June 20, 2013, 11:53 am
NorthSide Ned from GPT says:
Good riddance. Who eats this townie slop?
June 20, 2013, 11:59 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Anything else? It's a good thing YAWN has only four letters so It's not abbreviated.

That is, other than Chooch Buster. I wasn't threatening you. I'm fine with debating here, and I could care less about the physical condition of Ty/T-Bone/ADHD/ADD/ADZJZJGJFRRO5. I'm sincere. I hope you are well, Ethan. You can call the police all you want, and get these others riled up under the notion I'm some "terrorist." I have this intuition that when the climate invites you et al'll indeed have me rendered. But I still wish you well.

See, Ty? I knew you weren't done with me. So flattering.
June 20, 2013, 11:59 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, you write, "So I get an arugula salad on Bedford Avenue for lunch, instead of deep fried do-do from White Castle, because I want to to "feign superiority." Of course, Dennis! You don't think I'd do it for my health!"

As if I didn't already settle this with Always-the-Proofreader-Never-the-Writer Ty,

"Well, of course there's a utilitarian dimension to your consumption. If you read Veblen's Leisure Class as I just recommended you'll also read an authority who acknowledges the tangible realities of consumption. Of course you use bike lanes and yadda yadda yadda. I never denied those things. I never said they were an expression of White Power, though--an interesting interpolation by you. I have said Ethan is a white supremacist and I don't mean that in the easy way someone will call someone they don't like "Adolf Hitler." I mean, Ethan is a fetishist of fascism and Nazism. He is enthralled by the master-slave principle so eloquently told, sometimes espoused, by Nietzche. You're quite the narcissist [related to projective inversion] that you see yourself in every word of my writing. No, when I mean Ethan I write "Ethan" and when I mean you I explicitly mention "you." Like I've already said, I'm deeply flattered by your obsessed construction [because, technically your troublesome misrepresentations don't exactly 'deconstruct' my writing as they create an alternative universe embedded within your troubled psyche of what you think, feverish, about my "style"]."

But that's okay. This isn't like back when 30 Days/Waterfront Week when you could censor outright and gather bigots and control the media narrative. Now the threads are public and your whining to BP for deletions have to be considered first and I can easy copy-paste.
June 20, 2013, 12:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And Ethan, you're not healthy. If you're having arugula, maybe add some kale or broccoli, because It's not working. Let's be honest. You don't look good in those muscle-shirts. For God's sake man, consider the children. At least you shave your arm-pits.
June 20, 2013, 12:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oops, forgot to add this, which properly contextualizes the whole "eating salad because It's good for me, not because I'm a bigot" thing:

"What I did write, and you're avoiding or possibly failing to detect, is that you introduce yourself on these threads to defend inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, often to repeat and further It. ALWAYS. You don't offer any progressive additions to society. You don't further dialogue. You don't add ideas. You "correct" in your mind--and that's essential. And not just with me--with everyone. Not some. Everyone. You don't talk but to espouse or defend hate. You don't pacify, you enrage. You talk about "bike lanes" "cafes" "galleries" not with their intrinsic characteristics or qualities. No, you reference them in juxtaposition against your neighbors, who you deem unworthy and unfit. ALWAYS. So whether you believe yourself to actually be a "philanthropist" as in the original sense of the term, you need to do considerable work to balance and remedy the venom you support and hate in public but always cowardly behind a pseudonym."
June 20, 2013, 12:07 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank God Ty is here to proofread me. I'll need those "corrections" done right away. Got stuff to write, ya know? Oh sorry. That's right, you don't.
June 20, 2013, 12:08 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The point is this. Gentrification is proprietary capitalism. It is small-time development. You don't get the big boys into this game until 20 years into the fact. You don't get city policy like rezoning or Atlantic Yards and condo towers until gentrification makes it possible even to consider these policies and projects. 20 years ago the city wanted to turn Williamsburg into a sewer — a waste transfer and incineration hub. The GENTRIFIERS, bohos, fixer-uppers, social workers, activists, resisted environmental degradation SUCCESSFULLY. Gentrification in Williamsburg was an effective wedge AGAINST the pollution that was causing high rates of asthma among LATINO CHILDREN. Now then, it's true, when you have POLICY coming into the picture in collusion with big business (Bloomberg, Markowitz, and Ratner on Atlantic Yards; or the city rezoning the waterfront for towers like the Edge) ... now you have a more corporate and state-sponsored kind of development. And the borough gears into a whole new set of challenges. But strictly speaking, "gentrification" means what it says, "the gentry." Small-time entrepreneurism and fixer-upper real estate projects that transform the neighborhood. You could argue that after 2005, when the waterfront was rezoned, "gentrification" ceases to exist. And a new form of urban development takes its place.
June 20, 2013, 12:16 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That is something to consider. I don't have to agree with any of It, because as one of your lackeys already slurred, I am a socialist. But at least this is more analytical and less apoplectic. Let the readers decide the points and merit themselves. However, some of It is preposterous, like the notion that gentrification is wedge against asthma rates--I challenge you to measure rates "before" and "after" gentrification, alongside population figures, to corroborate. That sounds like you're just padding. You didn't need that for your argument and if It's inaccurate It will in fact reduce your point.
June 20, 2013, 12:24 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I do in fact agree, but not under your terms, that the 2005-rezoning is a discrete phase that is perpetually misidentified as "the origins of gentrification" in North Brooklyn. The 2005-rezoning is more appropriately identified as a later/latter stage of gentrification if, as you suggest, It should be identified as such at all.
June 20, 2013, 12:26 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And again. Who is the bigot here. Is it really the Chooch? Why, because I call you stooopit? Or is it the guy who wants to kill hipsters. Or the guy who threatens "white artists."
June 20, 2013, 12:30 pm
Northside Ned from GPT says:
Take your meds brah.
June 20, 2013, 12:31 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis is just used to these mamsy pamsy white wimmins who cry and coddle and sob over him and his abject ghetto past. There's a certain line of softy liberalism that he excels in butting his head against. But put him on an even playing field, and it's like "WHAAAA! You're a Nazi!" Ain't that right, Goombah.
June 20, 2013, 12:36 pm
Bohemian Goombah from Morgantown says:
If ye can't take it, then don't dish it.
June 20, 2013, 12:37 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Well, you Ethan. You're the bigot. Every single remembrance you have of Williamsburg is hateful. C'mon. Be Real ab/out It. You. Teresa Toro. Yvette Helin. Vincent Bambini. Cole and Genia in proxy over at the WG News. Goldson in his penultimate recent article for WG News [you know, "We're All Hipsters"]. The NY Posts lamentation for "displaced" gentrifiers last year, but expressing their sympathy by juxtaposing those gentrifiers against the notorious "locals" and "before," the NY Times is many different articles but in particular "Perpendicular to Brunch" [you again know] for their ludicrous characterization of Williamsburg in 2002. Recently there was an article that I unfortunately cannot find in my notes and will have to search for and save, of "hipster/s" living in Williamsburg for 2 years, talking about their redemption of the previous neighborhood against the ruination of "all these posers coming after us." This list is abridged. It will likely never be completed but will continue to grow. Every single person mentioned here, and more, have attacked the community of Williamsburg without provocation while simultaneously expressed shock at that community defending itself against such outrages.

In every single published article, essay, op-ed, examination, Facebook post [especially Facebook post] and memory expressed by the so-called "white artists" but really by every agent of gentrification, the "ubiquitous attack" you claim is carried out against hipster/s is ABSENT except for most recently and herein. In place the sole object consistently attacked in all these people and their expressions has been the community. Not "hipster/s." In fact, "hipster/s" are, using your previous aping of Malcolm X for Colonel Slanders, experiencing a backlash. So while It is wrong to wish harm upon people, we cannot take a look at this narrative and say with any integrity that the attacks are not reciprocal. Indeed, the reciprocity of these attacks is recent. For the past 20 years, the only persons doing the attacking have been you and your peers. Quite simply, if not for your and your peers' attacks, there may conceivably never have been this backlash you are currently experiencing. But you brought this. You made It. And now you're trying to disavow It. But as the kids on the street say, "Don't start none. Won't be none."
June 20, 2013, 12:39 pm
Not Dennis from Brooklyn says:
Again, all these last pseudonyms are Ethan. This is not only pretty boring, it actually is very creepy and pathetic to bear witness to it.
June 20, 2013, 12:42 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And as for you only saying "stoopitt" and can't understand what exactly was It you wrote or said that justifies you being called a bigot, I'll simply copy-paste Virginia Hoge in "Animal Farm" who, meta meta, copy-pasted you:

""Not your hoodie "cloak" from Krylon-Not-Sharpie."

"It's a Latin thing you do that cracks me up, because you have no idea how greeeeezy it appears to white people."

As well as many others. Ethan, you repeatedly made racist statements, awful racist stereotypes and caricatures and behaved like a base coward and savage, all the while you're appraising culture. I know you think that as long as the thread scrolls down somehow people will forget or won't read or have access to those comments but until Jenn Greenpointers deletes them on your behalf [and even then] they remain in posterity for all to see and read. I don't call people "white supremacists" easily. In fact, you may be the ONLY person in my entire spectrum of experience who I've ever called such a thing. The label fits for good reason.
June 20, 2013, 12:43 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I can compile a bibliography and post It here if you'd like. You know, as a "challenge" to you. This way, you can prove or substantiate your claims, which I claim are not verifiable but are in fact another instance of projective inversion. Indeed, a mass version of projective inversion coupled with hysteria that, as previously mentioned, is similar to alien abduction reports and satanic hysteria. I highly suggest Jonathan Smith's Relating Religion for his essays on religion, "difference," race and their characterization in alien abduction reports. Informative and entertaining.

You claim there is an ubiquitous attack against "hipster/s." No doubt you'll copy-paste and observe DieHipster and some threads here on Brooklyn Paper. But all in all, the entire media library on Williamsburg that concerns itself with gentrification is UTTERLY SILENT in any attack on "hipster/s." On the contrary, the appraisal is near-ubiquitously positive. But there is an object that is focused on for attack in that entire media library, "Williamsburg before," which is well-attested and by which we, you and I as well as others, have observed as "Williamsburg demonology." In fact, one of the more credible associations between "gentrification" and "religion" has been in the scholarly term, "Chaoskampf," defined well in this passage from Wikipedia: "The motif of Chaoskampf (German for "struggle against chaos") is ubiquitous in myth and legend, depicting a battle of a culture hero deity with a chaos monster, often in the shape of a serpent or dragon. The same term has also been extended to parallel concepts in the religions of the Ancient Near East."

"Chaoskampf" has been the most productive industry in Williamsburg's new creative economy. No other production, association, artifact or thought, "Art," has survived the gentrification but Chaoskampf.
June 20, 2013, 12:56 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Hipsters are my brood. They are my people. The old ones like me are Bohemians, or "proto-hipsterus Neanderthalensis" if you like. I can take it on the chin. And hipster jokes are a national obsession. But if I so much as tell some mook to go pumice is mother's bunions, suddenly I'm a "Nazi." It's hysterical. Look, hipsters are not "invaders." This is a new demographic group in Brooklyn. They bring cultural and economic value to the borough. We are very lucky to have had this migration during a severe economic downturn.
June 20, 2013, 12:58 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"It's a Latin thing you do that cracks me up, because you have no idea how greeeeezy it appears to white people."

Absolutely true. Your comments are full of smegma about schtuping this or that woman in the scene. And you do it as if it's a rhetorical score for you. Dude, it looks SKEEVY. You are the one who is reinforcing stereotypes about Latinos, not I. I'm just pointing it out.
June 20, 2013, 1:03 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
Forgive me, but I'm only able to pay attention to the more brief, legible comments in regards to this article. I hope that I'm not missing anything good, or interesting. Pardon the interruption.
June 20, 2013, 1:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I won't comment on the value of "hipster/s" as an "incoming demographic." That's valid for discussion, but digresses, and this thread and others digresses too much for any coherence of thought or expression. So let's parse this out meaningfully. Saying "hipster/s" are a national joke does not make It so, and It lacks context. I don't deny that the term is now popularly pejorative, but, again, It wasn't always so. And the reason for the transition is on your own head. You attack people but don't understand their self-defense. That's silly. But we are not talking about the current moment only. You and I [and you and I both know] we mean the past 30-40 years of North Brooklyn history. And any meaningful investigator would have to lose his bearings if s/he claimed "hipster/s" were under ubiquitous attack after reviewing the entire media narrative on gentrification. It does not exist. Again, on the contrary, the library is redundant with positive appraisal, most of them lacking any insight or rigorous thinking. And, and again, on the contrary, the object that is in fact continuously attacked, even in the present where you think hating "hipster/s," offsets has been the Williamsburg community. Not just by media, but also and mostly by the very same "hipster/s" who are imagining their attack upon the community as an attack upon themselves.
June 20, 2013, 1:07 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
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Was that one worth reading? Thank you in advance.
June 20, 2013, 1:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, the last time you charged me with this ludicrous "Latin lover" stereotype I challenged you to quote just once I ever exhibited such behavior and you wormed your way out of that. I know you did it when the narrative turns against you, you suddenly drop an outrage that has to distract others, but no. I repeat: we are focusing on this one particular deception by your group that is most germane. Namely, their attacks on the Williamsburg community that they then imagine as attacks upon themselves. You know, like that recent movies "Cowboys vs. Aliens." It used to be cowboys vs. indians but now the cowboys imagine themselves the indians they murdered and slandered.
June 20, 2013, 1:10 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

You know what I liked Eva? That last time you tried to say something utterly stupid about word parsimony and that gentleman from the Lower East Side wrote he would rather read a thousand pages of my journey through a thesaurus than just one of your treacherous sentences. He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses.
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Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:14 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Let's post some sources and references and make this discussion more meaningful. I'll begin with these four essays by the NY Times IN 1983:

October 16, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Eleven Alternatives to Costly Manhattan”

October 16, 1983: “A Dual Message in Williamsburg”

October 30, 1983: Marcus Brauchli: “Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists”

November 6, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Saving Local Housing Groups”
June 20, 2013, 1:14 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

You know what I liked Eva? That last time you tried to say something utterly stupid about word parsimony and that gentleman from the Lower East Side wrote he would rather read a thousand pages of my journey through a thesaurus than just one of your treacherous sentences. He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses.

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:15 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Let's post some sources and references and make this discussion more meaningful. I'll begin with these four essays by the NY Times IN 1983:

October 16, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Eleven Alternatives to Costly Manhattan”

October 16, 1983: “A Dual Message in Williamsburg”

October 30, 1983: Marcus Brauchli: “Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists”

November 6, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Saving Local Housing Groups”
June 20, 2013, 1:15 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

You know what I liked Eva? That last time you tried to say something utterly stupid about word parsimony and that gentleman from the Lower East Side wrote he would rather read a thousand pages of my journey through a thesaurus than just one of your treacherous sentences. He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses.

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:15 pm
ty from pps says:
OK, Dennis... One thing. Christ. What the f*ck is your deal with the slashes?

"hipster/s" "Other/s" "ab/out" "form/er" "t/his"

WHAT? Please explain. And you wonder why I call you a nutjob?
June 20, 2013, 1:15 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

You know what I liked Eva? That last time you tried to say something utterly stupid about word parsimony and that gentleman from the Lower East Side wrote he would rather read a thousand pages of my journey through a thesaurus than just one of your treacherous sentences. He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses.

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:15 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:17 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh Ethan. It's true. I do taunt your cuckolding, but that's not the same as, using your words, "Talking about all the pu$$y I get all the time." There's a big difference, you see: the latter boasts about actual pu$$y gotten in a kind of machismo drivel. The Form/er expresses the power I have over you.

And Ty, you're a proofreader. You ask proofreader questions. But I can't give you answers, because I'm a writer, and your job is only to "correct." Like Ethan, you want to distract and digress from a point made against you, so I'll copy-paste my last challenge to you, and you return with your challenge, and we'll keep playing [I know I will]:

""What I did write, and you're avoiding or possibly failing to detect, is that you introduce yourself on these threads to defend inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, often to repeat and further It. ALWAYS. You don't offer any progressive additions to society. You don't further dialogue. You don't add ideas. You "correct" in your mind--and that's essential. And not just with me--with everyone. Not some. Everyone. You don't talk but to espouse or defend hate. You don't pacify, you enrage. You talk about "bike lanes" "cafes" "galleries" not with their intrinsic characteristics or qualities. No, you reference them in juxtaposition against your neighbors, who you deem unworthy and unfit. ALWAYS. So whether you believe yourself to actually be a "philanthropist" as in the original sense of the term, you need to do considerable work to balance and remedy the venom you support and hate in public but always cowardly behind a pseudonym."

Now your proofreading job is in peril if you can't read right.
June 20, 2013, 1:21 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Worm your way out of that one, Dennis.
June 20, 2013, 1:22 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I mean, TY, I'll be happy to explain to you my use of diacritic if you'll be so happy to answer my question. You do lots of demanding, very unilateral. Typical agent of gentrification. Calling "mooch" while mooching. But you must know I won't take you seriously if you always demand demand demand but don't reciprocate. And always to answer some particular nuance to the flattering obsession you have with my writing.
June 20, 2013, 1:24 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Talking about schtupping some guys wife is "not the same" as what? This is only "taunting". You been busted, chump. Busted in a skeevy pose right out of a 70s movie about greasy sock-hoppers. You reinforce stereotypes about Latinos. You are a shame to your race.
June 20, 2013, 1:25 pm
ty from pps says:
No Dennis.... This isn't a "proofreader" question. You must have a *reason* for writing "hipster/s" "Other/s" "ab/out" "form/er" "t/his"

What is it? You can't explain why you write ab/out instead of about or form/er instead of former.... I can almost see your dumb etymology BS at play there, but hipster/s and other/s

"But I can't give you answers, because I'm a writer..." That's utterly stupid.
June 20, 2013, 1:27 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses."

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too."

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:27 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Go on, worm away, Dennis. Worm out of this one.
June 20, 2013, 1:27 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I want to "worm" a way out of discussing my sex life? That's another ew for you. Yuck. Can you instead not worm your way out of the observation that ALL MEDIA in the past 30 years of gentrification narrative reveal ubiquitous attack upon the community by "hipster/s," who then imagine their attack upon people as one they endure? I'm not going to discuss my sex life no matter how much you digress to It. I know people like TY are frustrated and gravitate to such salacious material, but you don't really want TY's audience--she's second rate. You want my audience and the audience of serious thinkers and observers. And you've leveled serious but baseless charges here--again, that the media narrative is dominated by attacks against hamsters.
June 20, 2013, 1:28 pm
ty from pps says:
Your use of diacratic... give me a break. Diacratic marks have meaning and purpose.
June 20, 2013, 1:29 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'm sorry, TY. I won't indulge your fascination though flattering It is. Like I said, you're a proofreader. I don't answer to you. I'm being courteous by allowing you some reciprocity. I offer the answer to your agony, why "hamster", but only if you answer:

"Oh Ethan. It's true. I do taunt your cuckolding, but that's not the same as, using your words, "Talking about all the pu$$y I get all the time." There's a big difference, you see: the latter boasts about actual pu$$y gotten in a kind of machismo drivel. The Form/er expresses the power I have over you.

And Ty, you're a proofreader. You ask proofreader questions. But I can't give you answers, because I'm a writer, and your job is only to "correct." Like Ethan, you want to distract and digress from a point made against you, so I'll copy-paste my last challenge to you, and you return with your challenge, and we'll keep playing [I know I will]:

""What I did write, and you're avoiding or possibly failing to detect, is that you introduce yourself on these threads to defend inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, often to repeat and further It. ALWAYS. You don't offer any progressive additions to society. You don't further dialogue. You don't add ideas. You "correct" in your mind--and that's essential. And not just with me--with everyone. Not some. Everyone. You don't talk but to espouse or defend hate. You don't pacify, you enrage. You talk about "bike lanes" "cafes" "galleries" not with their intrinsic characteristics or qualities. No, you reference them in juxtaposition against your neighbors, who you deem unworthy and unfit. ALWAYS. So whether you believe yourself to actually be a "philanthropist" as in the original sense of the term, you need to do considerable work to balance and remedy the venom you support and hate in public but always cowardly behind a pseudonym."
June 20, 2013, 1:30 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Do these comment threads have an emergency stop pull chord - like on the train? Someone please put a stop to this.
June 20, 2013, 1:31 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, I have yet to read anything that was coherent enough to give a substantive response. Your 'playful' use of language (being charitable) and your hypocritical generalizations seem to warrant no engagement. You seem to be working things out all by yourself.
June 20, 2013, 1:31 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Your "sex life." What, with another guy's wife? On a public thread? As an arguing point? This is not greasy lowlife posturing at the bodega? And I'm the one reinforcing stereotypes about Latinos?
June 20, 2013, 1:32 pm
ty from pps says:
Including that, if you were curious.
June 20, 2013, 1:32 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses."

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too."

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:33 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses."

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:

" ... Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too."

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/24/24_presentationparty_2013_06_14_bk.html
June 20, 2013, 1:33 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In other words. You're a nobody. At least if Ethan says something I'm interested in responding, but you're a useless sycophant, a hateful bigot that won't address her bigotry by blowing some smoke about my use of a dash. And yet I'm magnanimous enough to answer your question if you answer mine, but, like the way you are in public before your neighbors, you think you can demand answers but don't have to answer. You can keep posting the same thing, but like I said, until you answer the below, I'm going to keep refusing and asserting my question. I guess it's a matter of when you can get your friends at BP to say enough and delete. It's not too hard. In fact, it's your m.o.:

"Oh Ethan. It's true. I do taunt your cuckolding, but that's not the same as, using your words, "Talking about all the pu$$y I get all the time." There's a big difference, you see: the latter boasts about actual pu$$y gotten in a kind of machismo drivel. The Form/er expresses the power I have over you.

And Ty, you're a proofreader. You ask proofreader questions. But I can't give you answers, because I'm a writer, and your job is only to "correct." Like Ethan, you want to distract and digress from a point made against you, so I'll copy-paste my last challenge to you, and you return with your challenge, and we'll keep playing [I know I will]:

""What I did write, and you're avoiding or possibly failing to detect, is that you introduce yourself on these threads to defend inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, often to repeat and further It. ALWAYS. You don't offer any progressive additions to society. You don't further dialogue. You don't add ideas. You "correct" in your mind--and that's essential. And not just with me--with everyone. Not some. Everyone. You don't talk but to espouse or defend hate. You don't pacify, you enrage. You talk about "bike lanes" "cafes" "galleries" not with their intrinsic characteristics or qualities. No, you reference them in juxtaposition against your neighbors, who you deem unworthy and unfit. ALWAYS. So whether you believe yourself to actually be a "philanthropist" as in the original sense of the term, you need to do considerable work to balance and remedy the venom you support and hate in public but always cowardly behind a pseudonym."
June 20, 2013, 1:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Well, Ethan, you can keep posting that. My original purpose saying that was to taunt you. You're helping me taunt you. You're also saving me the time to copy-paste my words so I can laugh at TY Always-the-Proofreader-Never-the-Writer. Here, in fact, let me help you:

Eva, that young man who complimented me isn't as sweet as you. Kisses.
June 20, 2013, 1:37 pm
ty from pps says:
Hahahahaha! bye bye.
June 20, 2013, 1:37 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
It's ludicrous. The bohemian world I live in is immune to sexual provocation, unless in concerns discrimination based on orientation. But it shows you what a primitive world this guy comes from. He's saying "Hey, I ——ed your wife." And then he drops the name of Gershom Scholem. I read Scholem in German. Dennis doesn't even speak Spanish. the Chooch speaks better Spanish than Dennis.
June 20, 2013, 1:39 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Folks, this is a sick puppy. He shows his schlong on camera. And then he slanders everyone. And you believe the guy? I mean, assuming you can even pick through his abysmal writing.
June 20, 2013, 1:42 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Now, I'm going to go back to those four articles I mentioned because no one cares about "T-Bone." Unfortunately for him, unless he can find some other way to silence me, I'm moving forward:

October 16, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Eleven Alternatives to Costly Manhattan”
October 16, 1983: “A Dual Message in Williamsburg”
October 30, 1983: Marcus Brauchli: “Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists”
November 6, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Saving Local Housing Groups”

Now, here's a little secret Ethan doesn't like telling people. He came to Williamsburg because of "sweat equity" [mentioned, significantly, in Brauchli's "Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists"] He didn't come to Williamsburg "yearning" like the way so many agents of gentrification falsely characterize themselves, thus lending to the notion that they are the ultimate power in the gentrification. No, landlords drew Ethan with the promise that with his "sweat equity" he could gain an interest in property in Williamsburg. And, as he often mentions, he proudly sheetrocked, drywalled, walled walled walled and then poled, but he got exploited. No one gave him anything or cared about his disposition. Thus bruised thinking he was owed something he slinked off to Park Slope a scant few years later though always characterizing himself as some uber-resident of Williamsburg. And all this "temptation of Ethan" happened in 1983: the exact same year of these four articles by the NY Times. Thus, Ethan was compelled, even exploited by landlords, and for that we should sympathize with him, but he neutralizes our sympathy with so much else we can't begin to describe here [but we may try].
June 20, 2013, 1:43 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here is a salient passage in an upcoming essay, "Hip is Ham":

"A brief digression into North Brooklyn's history may help us determine who, if not “hipster/s,” face ubiquitous attack under gentrification. Some trace gentrification's origins to the well-known “2005-rezoning,” and others examine the 1990s but tellingly confined to Rudolf Giuliani's New York City's mayorship. Wide variance undermines confidence in the whole heap of accounts and theories but we know that simultaneous to Su Friedrich's move to Williamsburg1 and Ethan Pettit's move to Bedford Avenue, the New York Times reported on Williamsburg in no less than four articles in 1983.2 A deep reading of these four articles, detailing their implications and results, along with a complete delineation of gentrification's history in North Brooklyn from this nest into the present, is undue here. Our purposes here is to determine the mood and tone of these articles towards "hipster/s," not necessarily when and how gentrification began. "Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists" describes “artists” as bartering construction, demolition and cosmetics of mid-sized managed real estate properties for rent and long-term lease agreements, “sweat equity”—corresponding with the national and international emergence of “D.I.Y.” “Sweat equity” and “D.I.Y.” are interpolative not appellative; they did not emerge alongside or were immediately preceded by the phenomena they describe. There is nothing innovative in bartering labor for rent. What was innovative were the performers of this "sweat equity": namely transient by compulsion not discretion, white, middle to upper middle class, college campus ex/positive [graduate in degree/s]. In fact, bartering labor for residence is old as human society. Review of production by any “artist/s” in Williamsburg or any of the several Brooklyn neighborhoods mentioned in “fine arts” or any other taxonomy understood as constituting “Art” or “art world” as It was and remains widely understood is neglected or omitted—telling."
June 20, 2013, 1:48 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Community college for you, Dennis. You get affirmative action at Vassar, you study religion, you forget to learn German while you're at it. Never mind Hebrew, good G-d! You never spoke Spanish. Your "writing" is what Truman Capote would call "not writing, but typing."
June 20, 2013, 1:49 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'll emphasize: "REVIEW [BY THE NY TIMES IN 1983] OF PRODUCTION BY ANY 'ARTIST/S' IN WILLIAMSBURG OR ANY OF THE SEVERAL BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOODS MENTIONED IN 'FINE ARTS' OR ANY OTHER TAXONOMY UNDERSTOOD AS CONSTITUTING 'ART' OR 'ART WORLD' AS IT WAS AND REMAINS WIDELY UNDERSTOOD IS NEGLECTED OR OMITTED--TELLING."
June 20, 2013, 1:50 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
"The curious neglect or deliberate omission of review or description of any “fine arts” event, exhibition or production by any “artist/s” in favor of detailing “sweat equity” dovetail into popular understandings of latter-day “hipster/s.” Migration was indeed nascent, but none of it particularized by any of the New York Times' four articles [except for Brauchli's “Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists”]. The “society of artists” was less reported than speculated. It followed did not precede gentrification, insofar the New York Times influences North Brooklyn's development."

ibid.
June 20, 2013, 1:58 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis, you are so burnt up over artists, it just boggles the mind. The jealousy, the resentment, the seething hatred of my people. I suppose we should be flattered in a way.
June 20, 2013, 2:03 pm
ty from pps says:
Shouldn't that read New York Time/s ?
June 20, 2013, 2:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
The so-called “Paper of Record” has since published several similar articles with increasing frequency and yet remains “tardy on Williamsburg” [of all things] as progeny in new Brooklyn media claim. Not until D. Gonzalez's “A Voice of Williamsburg's Past, Warning Against Change,” did the New York Times attempt anything remotely critical of “artists”-cum-“hipster” in three decades of reporting on Williamsburg. In that lengthy period of knowing the New York Times never identified its speculation in Williamsburg as “gentrification” until and only when spurred and possibly ex/posed by US Census data and population changes reported by the Brookings Institute. Even when uncharacteristically titling one article, “Gentrification Brings Discord to Williamsburg, Brooklyn” [by John Leland, unintended ironic author of Hip], the New York Times attributed gentrification's discord to nebulous “crowds” drawn to neighborhood concerts, never to “hipsters” or “artists.” In fact, the article was subsequently re-titled, “In Williamsburg, Rocked Hard” but keeps its original title within its web-link and appears under Google search as “Gentrifications Brings Discord to Williamsburg, Brooklyn.”"
June 20, 2013, 2:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
ibid.
June 20, 2013, 2:09 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Anyone can cherry-pick through the Times for what they want to see, and ignore what they don't want to see.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4UYjt1Rmd28eGJrNnVWRWxSdnc/edit
June 20, 2013, 2:18 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Brooklyn Haven for Art Heats Up, NY Times, 1998.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4UYjt1Rmd28eGJrNnVWRWxSdnc/edit
June 20, 2013, 2:19 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The New York Times, 23 March 1990. Peter Watrous covers The Lizard's Tail and other Brooklyn clubs. With Richard Bacchus.

Here is a link to the Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/23/arts/pop-jazz-tomorrow-s-stars-today-in-brooklyn-s-small-clubs.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
June 20, 2013, 2:21 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
New York Times, 8 March 1996. Niel Strauss on ambient music, warehouse events, and Lalalandia.

Download the complete article as a pdf:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4UYjt1Rmd28ak96N0FYVVVnQW8
June 20, 2013, 2:26 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Domus, February 1998. Suzan Wines coins "immersive culture" in this feature on the warehouse scene.

Download the complete article as a pdf:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4UYjt1Rmd28OEV0MUNPd19meDg
June 20, 2013, 2:28 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
TDR (The Dance Review) Fall 1993. Melanie Hahn's in-depth history of the Cat's Head, with rare coverage of the Dublin episode.

Download the complete article:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4UYjt1Rmd28SzY1ZWJheGFuRlE
June 20, 2013, 2:29 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The Wall Street Journal, James Panero on the Bushwick scene, June 23-24, 2012.

Link to teaser in the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303836404577476590278372620.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

webarchive of the full story:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4UYjt1Rmd28bXF3UGhocVBYVTA
June 20, 2013, 2:36 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Silence is golden.
June 20, 2013, 2:37 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Where are your links, Dennis. Show us the articles you're talking about. Citations are meaningless without links to the sources.
June 20, 2013, 2:41 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
artnet, Bushwick art scene

http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/features/nathan/brooklyn-local-bushwick-leading-galleries-6-22-11.asp
June 20, 2013, 2:47 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The New York Times, Guy Trebay, on Bushwick, June 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/fashion/ambling-through-bushwick-open-studios.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
June 20, 2013, 2:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
A lack of linkage is no indication of subterfuge. That is so dumb. You may as well accuse every single print publication made since the Internet, since all that suffices for citation is the name of the publisher and the title of the source. You're so silly, acting as if you're more veracious because you took the extra step of linking whereas no one reading what I wrote is deprived of a Google search. haha

And you're proving my point, you know that right? I know it burns you to read: "REVIEW [BY THE NY TIMES IN 1983] OF PRODUCTION BY ANY 'ARTIST/S' IN WILLIAMSBURG OR ANY OF THE SEVERAL BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOODS MENTIONED IN 'FINE ARTS' OR ANY OTHER TAXONOMY UNDERSTOOD AS CONSTITUTING 'ART' OR 'ART WORLD' AS IT WAS AND REMAINS WIDELY UNDERSTOOD IS NEGLECTED OR OMITTED--TELLING."

So you post all these other articles as if they're contradicting my words, when I am clear "REVIEW [BY THE NY TIMES IN 1983]..." You are referring to articles thereafter following. The deception is yours.

And you know how you prove my point? NOT ONE OF THE ARTICLES YOU MENTIONED CORROBORATE YOUR DECEPTION THAT THERE EXISTS A MASS MEDIA CONSPIRACY TO DEFAME "HIPSTER/S." On the contrary, every single one of those articles and sources corroborate my point: that appraisal, while lacking rigor in thought, has been largely sycophant.
June 20, 2013, 2:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And what was my point? You're eyes are straining from insomnia and this passages was blurred to you:

"A deep reading of these four articles, detailing their implications and results, along with a complete delineation of gentrification's history in North Brooklyn from this nest into the present, is undue here. Our purposes here is to determine the mood and tone of these articles towards "hipster/s," not necessarily when and how gentrification began."
June 20, 2013, 2:49 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In fact, as I proceed with "Hip is Ham," you'll see that point reinforced:

"Taking this sycophancy for granted led to sacralization, literally, of “artist/s”-cum-”hipster/s” in the past twenty or so of gentrification's thirty years in North Brooklyn. Alford's “How I Became A Hipster” [formerly known as “Will.i.amsburg”] while laughing with but hardly at “hipster/s,” thus profaned such religious impulses. Examining the resultant histrionics can determine whether any sentiment actually exists in media or audience/s that “hipster/s” must overcome local and global opposition. Indeed, only “hipster/s” responses against their ubiquitous attack by “media” and “the world” fructify our examination, for the “ubiquitous attack” does not exist but in a bohemian imaginary."
June 20, 2013, 2:51 pm
ty from pps says:
That is damn near unreadable... yes, you're a writer (supposedly), but you do know you write so others can read, right?
June 20, 2013, 2:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You like my touche of the "bohemian imaginary"? I thought that instead of suffering through a projective inversion we get a good old simple inversion, like Jesus cleansing the Temple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_money_changers

Don't worry. I didn't provide a link to a source as per your order because you have no power over me. This is, like you, a "digression."
June 20, 2013, 2:54 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
ARTnews, A Scene Grows in Brooklyn, 2012:

http://www.artnews.com/2012/01/24/a-scene-grows-in-brooklyn/
June 20, 2013, 2:56 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And here's a NY Times REAL ESTATE section story from 2010 that supports Chooch Buster's argument that art drives gentrification:

"Nine artistically inclined 20-somethings — “Renaissance men and women,” as they were once described — use the premises to create hipper-than-thou music and art. Crowds have packed the house for events …"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/realestate/18habi.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1371757981-lc9 kR9MwufKnxBSu0RWBg
June 20, 2013, 2:56 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
TY, don't be ridiculous. You are hanging on my every word. You can say it's unreadable. It's not bothering me. But you know how It looks on you, right? Like you're again using my writing style to hide your dilettantism and bigotry. While I am digressing from Hip is Ham, let me re-pose our earlier scandal involving you, Miss "My Neighbors Are Nasty Olds,"

"Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 2:57 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Links, Dennis, links. Back it up. Who is the author of this 1983 article you're talking about. Where can I read it.
June 20, 2013, 2:58 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Well, again, you're proving my point about your previous duplicity here and "Animal Farm." And the fact that you clearly know and have all these sources that positively appraise gentrification says much about why you really appeared there in the first place--not to defend "hipster/s" at all. All that stuff about "'hipster/s are under attack everywhere" is clearly nonsense and you know It. You got up on that thread because no one but Teresa Toro reads you anymore and you're hoping some of DieHipster's crowd will pay attention and the only way you know to gain an audience is with an outrage. Again, THANK YOU. You are again proving my point: "...the “ubiquitous attack” does not exist but in a bohemian imaginary.""
June 20, 2013, 3 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
New York Times archives, art in Williamsburg and Bushwick, knock yourself out:

http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/#/williamsburg bushwick artists
June 20, 2013, 3:01 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hey lazy bones. Scroll up. I already mentioned the names of the authors. You know this. You somehow think that by posting it at the end of the thread you'll hopefully give someone the impression that I'm hiding something, but anyone can read up there that I supplied author names, dates and headline. I'll gladly copy-paste:

October 16, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Eleven Alternatives to Costly Manhattan”

October 16, 1983: “A Dual Message in Williamsburg”

October 30, 1983: Marcus Brauchli: “Brooklyn Rents Lure Artists”

November 6, 1983: Lee Daniels: “Saving Local Housing Groups”
June 20, 2013, 3:02 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Yes but at least people are ABLE to read the Chooch, which is more than anyone can say for Dennis' typing.
June 20, 2013, 3:02 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis,
Why are you going with misogyny as a technique? You think that helps?

And yes, I've found myself "hanging on" because I find your crazy writing mesmerizing. It has no obvious structure and it includes all of these crazy little additions (which, apparently, have meaning to you... and only you)
June 20, 2013, 3:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In fact, I think I've posted the same four articles, with the same authors and dates, roughly five times, no? Scrolling is not going to help your deception, brother. And again, please, supply more links. Now that you see it backfiring on you you want to stop and ask I conduct the search myself? But I so enjoyed you confirming my point that you're lying, indeed, projecting and inverting, the "ubiquitous attack" on "hipster/s." PLEASE MORE. I PROMISE YOU THAT EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE YOU'VE POSTED ON THIS THREAD WILL APPEAR IN MY SUMMARY OF MEDIA SENTIMENT "FOR OR AGAINST" "HIPSTER/S" AND I WILL GIVE YOU CREDIT, I PROMISE YOUR NAME WILL BE MENTIONED, WHEN I COMPILE MY BIBLIOGRAPHY OF MATERIAL THAT CONTRADICTS YOUR DECEPTION OF BEING UNDER ATTACK SO YOU CAN JUSTIFY BEING A RACIST.
June 20, 2013, 3:05 pm
ty from pps says:
hipster/s
June 20, 2013, 3:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Listen, TY, do you want me to go to Milton and Noble and speak to Rolf so he can explain to me why you hang on my every word? You think I'm writing all this for you? This thing draws people, and Ethan as he himself says, is upset because he sees that people like DieHipster echo my writing. Think about that when you wonder why I am writing here. It's not for you. I do respond to you, but remember, you're a distraction. You want to hide the fact you called your neighbors all kinds of horrible things, that you're a hateful bigot who defends other bigots while audaciously observed my supposed "misogyny", but again, I will copy-paste:

"Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 3:10 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis, every single one of your citations leads to an article in the Times real estate section that talks about artists hipping up the hood. What is your point.
June 20, 2013, 3:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And until you can respond to that, I will proceed, and unlike Ethan, I will contextualize and not simply bombard with links. That's like punk kids who buy vinyl of the most esoteric bands but don't listen to them or ever really appreciate them--the use is in boasting to other punks "how punk I am." More unreadable material!

"Katie Nelson and Mark Morales' report on a community initiative meant to combat gentrification in Southside Williamsburg for the New York Daily News triggered histrionics similar to those inspiring Goldson's “We're All Hipsters.”1 Whereas the New York Times is circumspect on gentrification and more so on its connection to “hipster/s,” reporting piecemeal by staff journalists, the New York Daily News is outspoken, editorializing support for gentrification in North Brooklyn. James Panero, in op-ed, “Hail to the hipsters,” writes that “hipsters are essential to the economy.” A subsequent opinion piece by New York Daily News' editorial, “Success Academy Charter Network gets attacked for its remarkable work,” tacitly repeats the claim while supporting the dismantling of North Brooklyn's public education for new “private-public” education schemes. Curiously, New York Daily News editors published both opinion-editorials after Nelson's and Morales' report on El Puente's Greenlight Program, suggesting some internal initiative to quench flames they themselves sparked. The article quotes well-known and well-regarded Williamsburg community leader and co-founder of El Puente Luis Garden Acosta, “When you wake up one morning and you see the corner bodega is now replaced by a fancy cafe or restaurant and you see your neighbors being pushed out because they can no longer afford the rent, all of a sudden you've lost your friends. You begin to wonder, 'Am I next?'” Other Hispanic residents are quoted bearing similar concerns. There is much but only about “taking back the neighborhood,” with “hipsters” identified as those currently taking, a not altogether wrong or unfair characterization of the state of affairs. Otherwise, the article is utterly silent on supposed “anti-hipster” sentiment."
June 20, 2013, 3:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, my point is clear, corroborated and further corroborated by you. I have never disputed media being in agreement with you. Why, sh*t, all media is in agreement with you. That's what I've always said. I'm not exactly certain why you keep trying to characterize it as though I am saying the opposite. How would that prove my point that you are imagining this "ubiquitous attack" upon hamsters? NO, IN FACT, THROUGH THIS IMAGINATION OF THE SO-CALLED "UBIQUITOUS ATTACK" ON "HIPSTER/S" IT IS YOU HAVE DISPUTED MEDIA IS COVERING YOU HAMMING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. And corroborating my oft-made point that you're not a reliable source on anything because you say one thing then another and have never demonstrated any consistency whereby anyone can believe anything you say, you go ahead and supply some dozen or so articles that in fact contradict your imaginary "dispute" with media. THANK YOU.
June 20, 2013, 3:16 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
See that there in that last passage I just quoted from Hip is Ham? I mention Panero. In the exact same context you stupidly brought him up here: to argue that media [as in Panero] favorably appraises gentrification without warrant. IN YOUR VANITY YOU SUPPLEMENTED MY POINT.
June 20, 2013, 3:19 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis, where is your posse? Where are all these white wimmins that you schtup for referrals. Why aren't they here backing you up? I can hear you now yelling at Kate and Virginia, "You gotta help me out here! Waaaah!" Bring 'em on, I'll whup they homophobic redneck hippy asses.
June 20, 2013, 3:20 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I have this folder on my desktop, "Hip is Ham," filled with articles proving the duplicity that "hipster/s" are under "ubiquitous attack" and now I will so happily save this article, HAHA, since it really saved me some effort compiling evidence that no such thing exists. THANK YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHA
June 20, 2013, 3:23 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
So, yea, Ethan, you're so easily read. You know that in boxing it's well-known, boxers laugh or smile after they've been hurt. And you post some outrage, some lie about homophobia this, anti-semitism that, anti-whiteness everywhere, every single time your argument is wounded. You know, like someone knocked the f out and hoping to throw sand in eyes to distract. A significant tell, in poker terms. But no. I will proceed. This time, I'll go to the opening of "Hip is Ham":

If only “hipsters” received Irony as they project It. “Hipster/s” confers superiority up/on [the] being clouded by construction/s[1], figurative and literal, physical and metaphysical, an “agent of gentrification”: transient by discretion not compulsion, white, middle to upper middle class, college campus ex/positive [graduate in degree/s]. This does not impute evil or anything of the sort to any variable but peculiarizes their combination in North Brooklyn.[2] Where/as multiple variables are identifiable “white” is most irksome and provokes exception, to find agency in also being black, brown, yellow or red in gentrification, [especially Red,]3 as if saying “gentrification isn't racist,” not satisfying but neutralizing curiosity with thought-terminating clichés about the meaning of “hipster.” “Hipster” is misanthropic. It begs question/s against recent reports and accounts by “hipsters” wondering aloud if “hipsters” deserve some humanity. Of course “hipster/s” deserve humanity, precisely because they deny It. Recent revelations on gentrification and “hipster/s” are confused as “dehumanizing.” The appropriate term is “humanizing.”

[1] “I no longer feel as you do: this cloud which I see beneath me, this blackness and gravity at which I laugh—this is your thundercloud.” Nietzche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

[2] Song of Solomon 4:16
June 20, 2013, 3:27 pm
ty from pps says:
hipster/s

"You think I'm writing all this for you?" Seems like you writing everything for yourself... since no one else will bother wading through your convoluted prose (if you would consider it prose). By the way, that includes me. I'm now just looking for how many words you add a "/" to for only god knows what reason.
June 20, 2013, 3:27 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
[3] Zohar 1:15a

"At the beginning of the will of the King, He engraved engravings in the supernal luster, a hardened flame, and there went forth from the concealed of concealed, from the head of the endless (ein sof), bundled in vapor, set in a ring, not white, not black, not red, not green, no color at all. When He measured the span, He created colors to shine within. Within the flame, there went forth one flow from which colors were imbued below. Concealed with all concealment of the secret of ein sof, His light broke and did not break through its aura. It was not known at all until, from within the force of its bursting through, there shone forth a single concealed supernal point. Beyond this point, nothing is known, and because of this, it is called “beginning,” the first utterance of all."

Trans. Lachter
June 20, 2013, 3:28 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
“When you wake up one morning and you see the corner bodega is now replaced by a fancy cafe or restaurant and you see your neighbors being pushed out because they can no longer afford the rent, all of a sudden you've lost your friends. You begin to wonder, 'Am I next?'”

Very good observation that Luis Garden Acosta makes. I entirely concur. This is a man who fought long and hard against violence in Williamsburg, against the tragedy of Latino-on-Latino violence that was a main cause of urban blight.

Garden Acosta's organization, El Puente, has now received 2.8 million in welfare ... oh sorry, I mean federal and city grants, to combat displacement of Latinos.

That's a hell of a lot more than we ever got to seed the art scene in Williamsburg. But what's going on with this money? How come we never hear about it? Where's the program?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-gentrification-meets-resistance-longtime-latino-residents-south-williamsburg-article-1.957237
June 20, 2013, 3:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here's some more:

"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"

How i love that i mesmerize you and have you counting, while you worry about my audience. Isn't that cute? You're still a bigot, though. Oh, before I forget:

"Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 3:32 pm
ty from pps says:
college campus ex/positive [graduate in degree/s]

It begs question/s against

clouded by construction/s

superiority up/on
June 20, 2013, 3:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, this one is especially for you, Mr. "55 Years Old and Still a Hipster" [haha]:

"Albert Goldson, in “We're All Hipsters” for WG News covering North Brooklyn, claims that “mainstream media” (whatever that means) arrays in full against “hipster/s.” “We're All Hipsters” makes multiple claims bearing along the logic [ha!] that while we're all “hipster/s” we're also all against “hipster/s.” Only in metaphysics could such a formula survive as a coincidence of opposites, but Goldson is not abstracting. This is no intricate psychological scheme writ large, nor existentialism unique to North Brooklyn [though indeed s/he has One], but opposes whole groups of people in Williamsburg and outside her between “hipster/s” and player-haters. Some perspective is in order."
June 20, 2013, 3:33 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh TY, have I inspired you? Are you finally a poet? You're welcome.
June 20, 2013, 3:34 pm
ty from pps says:
I think we've already covered that there are MUCH better words in the rich language that is English to describe what you want to describe other than creating a made up definition for misanthropy. If you are going to keep cutting and pasting the same thing over and over, you might want to omit that part so I don't stop reading.
June 20, 2013, 3:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'll rephrase:

You imagine yourself a progressive but are nothing of the sort: always projecting onto BP and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?
June 20, 2013, 3:38 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And more "Hip is Ham,"

"Our first and most meaningful entanglement is hate, or as the kid/s on the street/s might also say, blockage, in Brooklyn Williamsburg of all places, who finds he/r/self in the current predicament because of he/r hospitality. Apparently, “hipster/s” so s/well distill hate from host. And none of It to do with the projection exceeding America's abyss of introspection, tzimtzum gentrification. Samsara sees introspection in mirror/s, but reflection is also projection. Irony keeps player-hate/d in “past tense” lest nonsense ful/fill It/self. Like “hip,” gentrification fails, specifically cannot succeed, except in conjuring that demon from the past, “Williamsburg before,” to tense “hipster/s” in the present.[4]

[4] Grant that North Brooklyn responds against gentrification. A live/ly Human/ism exists; It is the Reason for that gentrification in the First Place. Williamsburg's Tent is hospitable, expands, attracts and invites her own antithesis, the displacement of People/s. This fact of biology, physics and geography abstracts “gentrification.” That abstraction's outermost frontier is on the Internet, in new Brooklyn media. The Internet should encourage opposition. It publicizes forum, but is pseudonymous and thus nebulous, too often crass and indulgent. North Brooklyn's residents' participation in this nebula has not always credited them nor negated these “external perspectives,” not until we correspond how gentrification happens anywhere with why It happened here. In the meantime, irrespective Internet high speed access, the “immediacy” is always seeming [where/as before It was more commonly referred to, tellingly, as “real time”], those perspectives are fractured and vicarious, [and perhaps most] absentee wherever anecdotes are made about “direct experience/s in Williamsburg.” Yet, they influence us outside the Internet and new Brooklyn media here in North Brooklyn in our physical lives, and do so while we lack frank examination into the “How so?” of gentrification, as North Brooklyn's sons and daughters are forthcoming. Methinks they will believe something like “Throw this ugly thing, gentrification, into oblivion already. This harrow, disharmony that falsifies, industry of nothing of the sort, masquerading paralysis, masked in crutch and crutched by mask of 'allied growth,' that darkens wherever viv/id, trod gentrification beneath feet!”]
June 20, 2013, 3:40 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh I forget to tell Ethan that quoting a laudatory article by the New York Times mentioning "crowds" before a "show" is not exactly a review of "production" or an adequate dismissal of my argument in "Hip is Ham": "REVIEW [BY THE NY TIMES IN 1983] OF PRODUCTION BY ANY 'ARTIST/S' IN WILLIAMSBURG OR ANY OF THE SEVERAL BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOODS MENTIONED IN 'FINE ARTS' OR ANY OTHER TAXONOMY UNDERSTOOD AS CONSTITUTING 'ART' OR 'ART WORLD' AS IT WAS AND REMAINS WIDELY UNDERSTOOD IS NEGLECTED OR OMITTED--TELLING."
June 20, 2013, 3:43 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Just saying, ya know?
June 20, 2013, 3:43 pm
ty from pps says:
Seriously. You're a nutbag... look at that. It's like the rantings found on a conspiracy theorist geocities website, but with critical theory language scattered about. (And numerology?)
June 20, 2013, 3:43 pm
ty from pps says:
And what the f*ck is this Hip is Ham crap? Something that you've written but will never see the light of day other than on Brooklyn Paper posts?
June 20, 2013, 3:45 pm
ty from pps says:
Sorry... so you understand.

And wh/at the f/uck is this Hip is H/am crap? Some/thing that you'v/e written but will never see the light of day oth/er than on the Brooklyn Pap/er post/s?
June 20, 2013, 3:46 pm
ty from pps says:
ibid.
June 20, 2013, 3:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And this whole thing about "better words." I really laugh out loud. It's like kindergarten! YAY! Now, let's break up into groups, mine and yours. You choose "better words" than mine. How do we know they are "better words" [hahaha]? Because they are objectively "better"? No. Because Dennis uses them. And since we believe ourselves superior, the words we use are "better." Now that is an odd linguistic and semiotic theory.
June 20, 2013, 3:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Aw. TY is getting mad. Don't worry, TY. Go play with your "better words." I've got a better term for you: "superior/ity words." It'll make you feel better!

Oh, also, Pavlov calls. He says he has a steak for your dinner, but first you need count:

"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"

HAHAHA Keep counting, biotch. I'm getting rich. You have no idea how happy it makes me to see you upset by "Hip is Ham," but no! there is more! HAHA And, egad if it is published and TT/Ty's shame expands and she has to use "superior/ity words" in public like "nut job" and "nutbag." Man, those words are really "better."
June 20, 2013, 3:50 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I'm sorry, Yy. I fed him most of that critical theory jargon. A lot of it was in my office in Bushwick, Dennis, you still got my Baudrillard? Keep it.
June 20, 2013, 3:50 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You have to earn your grave.
Kafka
June 20, 2013, 3:51 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
WAY YO WHITE WIMMINS AT, SON ?!?!? Come on. Bring it on. This is boring.
June 20, 2013, 3:52 pm
ty from pps says:
If it is published... ha!

I can start using the word "goose" to refer to all birds, but that would be ridiculous. You're not being metaphorical, you've created a new definition. You haven't coined a term (you don't seem skilled enough for that, unless you consider putting slashes in words is a skill), you perverted the meaning of a word because you, I suppose, don't care for the ones that would apply or perhaps because you think misanthropy sounds clever? It doesn't matter.

And yeah, you're a nutbag.
June 20, 2013, 3:52 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
“Humans” homo superbia hold themselves apart from “humanity” homo sapience. Each man or woman perceives their uniqueness in some essential difference between their “self” and “all the Others” concealed from or beyond public disclosure. Kafka, ""Man cannot live without a personal trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in It may remain permanently concealed from him." In this inner sense, it is true what Albert Goldson recently wrote in the WG News [but not for his reasons], “we're all hipsters.” Its expression is corruptible even irrelevant yet nothing is more certain for each person. Beyond this “hip” is ham. That is, as “hipsters” themselves have told us since the Beats, “hip” mimes. What does It mime? Originally, [and the origination of] black culture. Not that a/each white person transforms into a black person [though these cases of self-perceiving are in fact well attested], but observing 'black people' alienated from 'white people' while 'being white.' Those original hipsters knew they were miming an/other. Present day “hipsters” are by and large unfettered by this duty and thus unfettered to this memory.
June 20, 2013, 3:54 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Do nothing. The world will coil in ecstasy at your feet.
Kafka
June 20, 2013, 3:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Wow. I haven't mentioned "misanthropy" outside of a copy-paste in like 50 comments. You got really burned. Go put on some lotion. Put it on your head, between the scalp and the tin-foil hat/e.
June 20, 2013, 3:55 pm
ty from pps says:
I don't remember Baudrillard or Habermas adding a lot of "/" to words... or did I miss that part of their philosophy?
June 20, 2013, 3:55 pm
ty from pps says:
"I haven't mentioned "misanthropy" outside of a copy-paste in like 50 comments."

Oh, so your pasting that over and over wasn't supposed to serve a purpose. You just enjoy clacking on your keyboard. OK. Looks like we have gotten to the bottom of it.
June 20, 2013, 3:56 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, you are a very poor writer, Dennis. I do hope you search out an editor if you actually plan on publishing any of your thoughts. Maybe you actually have a decent thought here and there -- it's just not visible.
June 20, 2013, 3:58 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, Ethan. On this I respond: you never once gave me any critical theory. NEVER. We never discussed these things. How silly. You know you're lying--I discussed anti-gentrification theory with you? The preeminent cheerleader of the gentrification squad? You never never taught me anything. The only critical theory we ever discussed involved religion, and most of that conversation was never with you but with Eva as we studied Kabbalah together. You, in fact, tried to borrow from my religious training in your characterizations of "artist/s." You've even admitted that in Animal Farm: "Don't be silly, Dennis, I fully confess my stupidity in religion and fully acknowledge your expertise there." Commented, yesterday 6:25pm
June 20, 2013, 3:58 pm
ty from pps says:
Oh, yeah.... and "Dennis sinneD" is pretty damn lame.

OK. I'm done.
June 20, 2013, 3:59 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Sure, TY. I'm a terrible writer. Horrific. Oh my God, watch out! Watch out! Here it comes, more writing that needs to be told it's terrible:

"What remains is vestigial: the miming of “player hate” so thorough and successful that “hipsters” are exoteric about being esoteric. It's true, “hipsters” may in fact know first or better secret trends and desires, but what is more important for them than it should be for Others are public perceptions of their secrecy up to including their public declarations of secrets and their secrecy."
June 20, 2013, 3:59 pm
ty from pps says:
artist/s
June 20, 2013, 4 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hey, Pavlov calls and says get your mouth ready for watering:

"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"
"hipster/s"

How i love that i mesmerize you and have you counting, while you worry about my audience. Isn't that cute? You're still a bigot, though. Oh, before I forget:

"Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 4 pm
ty from pps says:
No, really you are a very poor writer. It's as close to an objective truth as such an assessment can be.
June 20, 2013, 4:01 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, before I forget:

Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s
June 20, 2013, 4:02 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh my, as objective as Heidegger's Being? That's quite a pedestal you've put me on there: "as objective as anything can be." Wow. I'm objective. I'm really flattered.

Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
Miss Anthropy
hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

hipster/s

"Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 4:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
mis·an·thro·py
noun /misˈsanTHrəpē/ 

A dislike of humankind

Web definitions

hatred of mankind

a disposition to dislike and mistrust other people
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

(misanthropic) cynical: believing the worst of human nature and motives; having a sneering disbelief in e.g. selflessness of others

(misanthropic) hating mankind in general
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

(misanthropist) misanthrope: someone who dislikes people in general
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
June 20, 2013, 4:04 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You know It's just you and Ethan on the side with "superior/ity word/s," right? I mean, just wanted to put some perspective on "no one" reading me. Who do you think DieHipster echoes? Me or you? Or Ethan? Remember, Ethan first got on the Animal Farm thread because he searched for my descendant.

HAHAHA

Oh, forgot:
MISS ANTHROPY
June 20, 2013, 4:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh dear, more "objectively" [one of those "superior/it/y word/s] terrible "Hip is Ham":

"“Hipsters” are hamsters, not in the symbol of the rodent, but in the sense that “hip” is HAM—mimesis. “Hipster” doubly-states “the Other” to ultimately ignore that Other returning to self-absorption. "Hipsters" overact: "ham." "Hipster" has no other basis. It self-styles honorifics unsupported by achievement or production—because achievement and production in of themselves, by what “hipsters” themselves have told us over the years, cancels “hip.” No one can say, “I'm an urban tradesman” or some other such nonsense and simultaneously be a “hipster”--again, as “hipsters” themselves tell us. It's not our creation or conception. It's our translation. It's not a slur imposed from without. It delineates the very “logic” [egad] that “hipsters” have spent the past ten years or so clogging new and old Brooklyn media."
June 20, 2013, 4:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Albert Goldson is absolutely right in that piece in WG. We are living with a relentless campaign of ridicule and blame against that only segment of the population that has managed to break out of a kind of cultural paralysis. And the attack comes not just from the mainstream media, but from their toadies in the ghetto like Dennis sinneD, who listens to the soundtrack from "Batman" and watches Puerto Ricans beating the living crap out of each other on youtube.

http://thewgnews.com/2013/01/were-all-hipsters/
June 20, 2013, 4:09 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
This is CRAZY PANTS!!!
June 20, 2013, 4:10 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The anti-hipster toadies like Dennis and Diehipster are tantamount to working class thugs who are manipulated by power into attacking the intelligentsia, queers, bohos, anyone who doesn't tow the line or go the White Castle.
June 20, 2013, 4:11 pm
ty from pps says:
Well, I'll leave you to your "writing." I'm sure you'll be read with great enthusiasm -- by someone. Even if that some/one is just you, that's an a/complish/ment.
June 20, 2013, 4:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, wait, are you contradicting those dozen or so articles you just posted all over here by saying "mainstream media" "ubiquitously attacks 'hipster/s'"? Not very credible that at the end of all that bibliography that you posted, desperately to prove media loves you that you now say none of it is true. I mean, is it true--media has no regard for the "production" of "artist/s" except insofar they do sanitation?

And me listening to the Batman soundtrack and watching Puerto Ricans fight each other on YouTube--HAHAHAHA. Ethan, I remember when I left Ex-Static Press I had to come back and get my CD of the score because you kept It in your computer! HAHAHA. And that whole YouTube thing is more of the same projective inversion. That's what you do. And it's really yuck. That I won't laugh at. Not because It offends [because It doesn't], but because It's more of that Ew that you really backfire on.
June 20, 2013, 4:14 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Wait, TY, I have something to tell you: MISS ANTHROPY. Oh, and "HIPSTER/S."

""Why do you imagine yourself a progressive but always project onto Brooklyn Paper and other threads agreement with the worst caricaturization of your neighbors?--literally, "misanthropy" [because we know you envy my use of a thesaurus and dictionary; I also use the Internet to find words and, oh God, I hobby in etymology and philology, RUN RUN!]. Answer for your own sake. Ask yourself, "why do I contradict myself, pretending I support bike lanes and cafes and galleries as a seeming humanist would, but find myself officiating at kangaroo court trying my neighbors in the worst salacious slandering possible, all the while depriving my neighbors of defending themselves by cowardly retreating behind pseudonym?""
June 20, 2013, 4:16 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Simply put, anti-hipsterism is reactionary. You have spoon-fed welfare cases knee-jerking to the tune of the national media, and building up rage against hipsters. Two days ago Dennis "had no concourse" with Diehipster. After the Chooch banged their heads together, he ran into Diehipster's camp and has been their ever since. Because he "realized" that Diehipster "uses humor" in some subversive way. Diehipster "uses humor" against hipsters the way Amos n' Andy used it against African Americans.
June 20, 2013, 4:17 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Egad, more "Hip is Ham"!

"Crude: why is a “hipster” separated and elevated from humanity? When the dialogue embraces gentrification the reason is clear: there are no reasons and any attempt at reason is brushed aside. You get 'word is bond,' 'crown,' and nothing else—'place.' When meaning and thought enter the dialogue, the root and cause of things make apparitions, 'I'm, or better yet, I've become a cafe barista” or an 'urban tradesmen,' or a 'vegetarian dildo ordinance.' One doesn't have to be a “hipster” to be any of these things, and indeed, every single one of these deeds, occupations and past-times ANTICIPATE “hipsters” as, again, “hipsters” were once fond but are now guarded of telling us—how else can one stereotype “hipsters” “player hate,” ranking elevating removing themselves above humanity? By how one “discovers” previous music, food, manufacture, fact of life? Most “hipsters” lack the cunning to sustain the ruse of an exoteric esotericism, but some have been quite successful, and these are hamsters."
June 20, 2013, 4:17 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Is anyone at the wheel at the BK Paper? Make it stop!!!!!!!!!
June 20, 2013, 4:17 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, be a man and answer the question: do all those articles you posted herein, more than a dozen across various venues, laud "hipster/s" as you originally claimed, or is it this: "Albert Goldson is absolutely right in that piece in WG. We are living with a relentless campaign of ridicule and blame against that only segment of the population that has managed to break out of a kind of cultural paralysis."

Which is It? Is mainstream media arrayed against you or is all that posting true you did herein that I will certainly copy and reference in "Hip is Ham"?
June 20, 2013, 4:19 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Look at all the hipster-bashing going on in this moron's threads. He's totally eating it up. He is toadying for the man. He wants to punch out some hipster. Real simple. A violent welfare basket case, brain-addled, punched-out and incomprehensible food-stamp loser who just plain hates hippies and fags.
June 20, 2013, 4:21 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
T-Bone, go fVck yourself. That way you can be Real about "how you want it to stop" even though you're fueling alongside us. Please. Enough with the hypocrisy. At least Ethan knows he is a hypocrite.
June 20, 2013, 4:21 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, Ethan. That's not answering the question. Did you lose your balls? You seemed to have testicular hypertrophy when you were all triumphalist posting all those articles you didn't know were reinforcing my point. Now you don't want to reference those articles when you're saying "all media" is "against us."
June 20, 2013, 4:22 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Read the article, it's good. It is not the hipster bashing that is critical or subversive. It is the hipsters!

http://thewgnews.com/2013/01/were-all-hipsters/
June 20, 2013, 4:23 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Well, I've read the article. It's not a good piece. I mean, I'm not assessing as objective as assessment can be, with "superior/ity word/s" like Ty, but I think you were the only person on the comments thread who indicated a positive appraisal, but only of course because you were trying to draw attention to yourself, Mr. "55 Years Old and Still a 'Hipster/s.' Everyone else seemed to feel it also lacked.

So now that we got "reading" it to the side, maybe a little less evasion this time? What is It, Ethan--you can't admit you got caught red-handed looking stupid posting article after article corroborating my previous point about media sentiment and now you're avoiding talking about the flagrant contradiction you just made here: namely, to keep agreeing with Goldson that "hipster/s" are "all of us" but also, weirdly and unexplainedly, we're also "all against hipster/s" though your dozen or so articles before state the exact opposite? Articles YOU posted. I mean, you live up to your fame of inconsistency.
June 20, 2013, 4:28 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
You have salty language, mister.
June 20, 2013, 4:29 pm
T-Bone from DoBro says:
Isn't it time for you to jump rope. Go outside dude. Leave the basement of your rent-controlled hovel.
June 20, 2013, 4:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
By the way, I'm totally messaging DieHipster and supplying him with all these articles, along with that whole trajectory of you unwittingly proving my point that no "ubiquitous attack" against "hipster/s" exists but in the so-called "bohemian imaginary" and then you contradicting the very same dozen or so articles you yourself posted to make an opposite point than the one you're now ending with to support Goldson: that, actually, "hipster/s" are in fact under "ubiquitous attack."
June 20, 2013, 4:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
T-Bone, I love rope! But I don't live in a basement. Sorry. I know those are the kind of nasty images you have in your mind though you lack the guts to salt your language, but you know, come visit me in the park while I skip rope. Then you can talk shlt. Until then, begone, projecting hypocrite, complaining about what's on television while the remote control is within your reach. You don't really care if this ends. I mean, YOU'RE ADDING TO IT. Hello, cognitive dissonance?
June 20, 2013, 4:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And, ladies and gentleman, we return to "Hip is Ham", salient at the moment given Ethan's flip-flop on "mainstream media hates us"/"mainstream media loves us":

"Whenever media [ha!], including and emphasizing the public and largely pseudonymous commentary, was sycophant, there lacked complaint against sensationalism, bombast, pretense or pedantry. Tally all the words written in critical examination and that of this ongoing sycophancy, and it won't restraint complaint that one is “writing too much,” making too much ado, “obsessed,” “stating the obvious,” “insane” with “nothing better to do” who couldn't possibly genuinely or successfully parcel some thought, search for meaning or increase intellect equitable to this sycophancy."
June 20, 2013, 4:35 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
T-Bone, now that you've reminded me I will go to the track. In case you or Ethan or superior/ity Ty wonder my silence for a few hours--it's not fear, baby. Believe me, I have laughed lots today and I appreciate all the therapy your cases pose. Very entertaining. And besides, there's more "Hip is Ham" to quote.
June 20, 2013, 4:37 pm
ty from pps says:
Hey T-Bone,

How are those "superior/ity word/s" treating you?

HA!
June 20, 2013, 4:40 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
oh, and

mis/anthropy
Miss Anthropy
"hipster/s"
ham/ster
art/ist
art/i/fact
art/i/fice
art/i/ficial
author/ity
author
June 20, 2013, 4:41 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I knew you weren't done with me, Ty. It's flattering, but if you are who I know you are--I can't get with you. You're ugly. Not physically, of course. Just twisted. Not attractive at all. But I am flattered you're mesmerized by my "crazy pants."
June 20, 2013, 4:43 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The comments are negative, but mostly wrong. George Barba Yiorgi says ...

"Wow, what a weird explanation of the reason “hipsters” are despised, This article completely misses the point – modern “bohemians” are a cruel and degenerate parody of the anti-materialistic, anti-middle-class, anti-established-order Beats, hippies and punks of earlier generations; the modern “hipster” displays the trappings of outsider culture while pursuing a lifestyle based on consumption and trendiness."

Totally unfounded. What modern hipsters do that the hippies, beatnicks, and punks of yore could not achieve, is to put new businesses in place that put old businesses like White Castle out of business. This is a much more subversive activity than just dancing around in beads and face paint and declaring your "anti-materialistic" values to the world. You cannot avoid materialism, it is necessary for survival, but what you can do is put a more sustainable materialism in place. Hipsters actually do this.
June 20, 2013, 4:44 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'm just so elated that Ethan Pettit, infamous saboteur of Minor Injury, Waterfront Week, Ex-Static Press, his marriage, his "art," other people's "art," "immersionism," and who knows what else, was duped into reinforcing and corroborating my essay with no less than a dozen or so credible sources. HAHAHAHA
June 20, 2013, 4:45 pm
ty from pps says:
I was talking to T-Bone. Why is everything about you, Dennis?
June 20, 2013, 4:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, Ethan. You're so funny. I love your twisted logic. Really, I do. Are you the same guy who wrote, "If you want to dispel shadows in your neighborhood build skyscrapers"? You must have. "One is subversive by being obedient." Brilliant. HAHAHA. You know you used to really bother me. Back when I was really all alone arguing against you and everything else loving gentrification. Not because of what you said, but because people actually believed you. But here, you have only Ty. I have DieHipster. I win.
June 20, 2013, 4:48 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Still oggling those links I posted, Dennis?
June 20, 2013, 4:48 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I was talking to you, Ty. What of It?
June 20, 2013, 4:49 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You "have" diehipster, so you "win?" What, you two going to get into a circle jerk and give each other rewards?
June 20, 2013, 4:50 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I AM ETHAN. I so adore that you posted them, flagrantly contradicting yourself. I can't begin to thank you for corroborating my point. But I will. When I finish "Hip is Ham" I'll be sure to mention the irony of this thread, where you posted article after article confirming my point and disputing yours, and then you acting as if you never posted those articles in the first place. You truly made me laugh out loud. The neighbors stopped playing in the backyard, so loud I laughed.
June 20, 2013, 4:50 pm
ty from pps says:
What is It?
June 20, 2013, 4:51 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, ew. I get it. You and Ty want some porn. Go to a site. Go together. Or make one. Call it "FLABBY SLAPPINGS."
June 20, 2013, 4:51 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
What is It, my dear? Why--IT'S MISANTHROPY. AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
June 20, 2013, 4:52 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I'll tell you what, Dennis. Give me $2.8 million and I'll boot up all my old projects that you're so obsessed with. Where are the projects at El Puente? What are they doing with this money? I'm just waiting for a Vito Lopez-style "accounting" meltdown at El Puente, I'll tell you.
June 20, 2013, 4:53 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis' whole frame of reference is based on things the Chooch did in the past. It's like I filled a vacuum in his life and made the world he lives and breaths. Everything he's done in the past 20 years has been a reaction to the Chooch.
June 20, 2013, 4:57 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Now that's a tad reductive. No, Ethan. You didn't teach me anything. Our interests don't coincide--you claim to read authors, and I actually do. Even when I used to try to discuss "art" with you, or topical material, like Duchamp and surrounding, you didn't know anything. Not a thing. You only knew the name "Duchamp." Wikipedia told me more about Duchamp than you did. I admit I turned to you in curiosity, but you never increased my knowledge. You tried sabotaging It, in Fact. You struggled understanding Scholem, or other scholarly material on Kabbalah--precisely why you couldn't contribute any copy to In-Krylon-not-sharpie but that awful ridiculous poem: so much of KNS depended on Scholem's work and thus It eluded you. I admit you're a towering figure in the gentrification of Williamsburg, but you're only falsifying the breadth of your knowledge. I mean, do we really have to go into summarizing these people you're butchering in misquote--I don't want to embarrass you further. I'm much more interested in you supplying more articles and sources corroborating my point that no "ubiquitous attack" exists against "hipster/s" but in the "bohemian imaginary." I appreciate the assistance.
June 20, 2013, 5:03 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis strains to "uncover" and "expose" the Chooch. Huffing and puffing in post after post after post, and yet it doesn't catch. He cannot penetrate the Chooch. Because a pseudonym is not about putting on a hoodie and a ski-mask.
June 20, 2013, 5:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And do you really want me to "reference everything you did in the past 20 years"? Really? Like Minor Injury, like copy-pasting founder Mo Bahc's famous public denunciation of your sabotage of that influential multicultural [egad] space? Or your jealousy of the editorial committee at the Waterfront Week that compelled you to sell the paper for 1 whole dollar to reactionaries in the Community Board out of spite against Kate Yourke? Those selfsame reactionaries who thereafter stripped the paper of any bohemian presence and ran It into the ground? Or, egad, Ex-Static Press? You never did anything, Ethan. You only sabotaged other people's works. That's the greatest irony of our debate concerning gentrification in Williamsburg: because of your duplicity and inconsistency people have had to position against "art" to position against YOU. But you never did any "art." You were always an envious saboteur of other Artist/s and t/heir works. Shlt. Kate Yourke taught me. Chris Lanier taught me. Virginia Hoge taught me. And others I apologize for omitting their mention. Even Eva taught me. These people I am happy to admit the framing of my life around. You? I respond to you and reference you because of your position in gentrification, not because of any production by you. I'm sorry. It's painful to say but It is True.
June 20, 2013, 5:09 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, c'mon Ethan. You're deteriorating into worthless posting again. Make this worth/while.
June 20, 2013, 5:09 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Before I forget, more "Hip is Ham":

"One is an agent of gentrification once one calls him or herself a “hipster” but not all agents of gentrification are hipsters. Hipsters end and link “gentrification” as an abstract category parsed from North Brooklyn's life and the reality of that life. They “present” and “prompt” gentrification, are its manifestation and representation. They are always its agents but that should not overestimate their significance or power—they are not always 'principals,' indeed, are manifested and manipulated by political entities, licensed and official real estate agencies, large and mid-scale condominium and/or luxury rental developers, and, most importantly, mass media, specifically new Brooklyn media. They are neither always in agreement nor particular about agreement but are always aware of the agreements behind gentrification."
June 20, 2013, 5:14 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Do you have anything you want to add, quickly, before I go out for rope in McCarren Park? Otherwise, you'll have to wait until tonight for my response.
June 20, 2013, 5:17 pm
Johnny Hammersticks from Brooklyn says:
Good to see another compelling article by Danielle Furfaro got 5 idiot typing tough guys to argue like pre-pubescent twin sisters for 9 hours. She really is the Walter Cronkite of the Brooklyn Paper.

I found a better story on my puppies wee wee pad this morning than anything this waste of ten typing fingers has ever found.
June 20, 2013, 5:18 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
"Five idiots [arguing] like...twin sisters"? I don't get It. We've had better relations before, Mr. Hammersticks. Are you now like T-Bone, complaining about content you yourself are adding to?
June 20, 2013, 5:22 pm
Celeste from 11211 says:
Remarkable that in all these comments by this splitting of different Ethan personalities/identities and his cheerleader(s) is the absence of any real argument whatsoever. How pubescent.
June 20, 2013, 5:22 pm
ty from pps says:
Celeste -- You under/stand the rambling/s of Dennis?
June 20, 2013, 5:28 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, the better rhetorical question is, "Ty -- You under/stand the rambling/s of sinneD?"
June 20, 2013, 5:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Worry whether We, you and I, under/stand each Other. Don't busybody Other People/s live/s with your hate of me. Ask me directly, and I will answer you. Have you not heard It said, "Good Man/ners cost[s] No/Thing"? Psalm 139:15
June 20, 2013, 5:35 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis -- I already said I don't understand the point of most of your ramblings. I was asking Celeste who seems to me defending your crackpot prose.

By the way.....
My frame was not hidden from you / when I was made in the secret place, / when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. -- Psalms 139:15
June 20, 2013, 5:38 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
ve-ha hokhmah me ayin timmatse
June 20, 2013, 5:40 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Matthew 11:25
June 20, 2013, 5:41 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Do you read me, Ethan? I tear my clothes defending you before God, I admit my anguish. May you strangle on your satisfaction. Because wishing the displacement of people is evil--in the end this statement may be unfairly unilateral because in this, my own "indestructible something concealed," I don't care what you say Other/Wise [Matthew 16:23]. I never fail to remember in my prayers the re/membrance that I lament your displacement while you invite mine.
June 20, 2013, 5:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Even if the World thinks me pubescent for saying It, Word is Bond, you may have all of media, you may re/member all my mis/deeds, my terrible sins, but still I won't re/lent my Soul.
June 20, 2013, 5:46 pm
ty from pps says:
That's Job 28:1
June 20, 2013, 5:47 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, if wisdom comes from nothing, you definitely have a head start, Dennis!
June 20, 2013, 5:48 pm
ty from pps says:
Did I hear you went or are going to Vassar? First of all, SERIOUSLY?! Secondly, do you include all of these "clever" slashes, err... I mean... diacritics in all of the papers you submit as graded assignments? Probably not, right? Because that would be crazy.
June 20, 2013, 5:51 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You know you are enthralled while you lie about knowing No/Thing ab/Out "me."

Isaiah 3:6
June 20, 2013, 5:52 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Stop con/fabulating. Just be open [Shekhinah to Yesod] and say you seek teaching. I could have given It to "you" without all this sitra ahra. For shame.
June 20, 2013, 5:54 pm
ty from pps says:
Why are you writing references to totally unrelated bible passages?
June 20, 2013, 5:57 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Don't be silly. You k/now t/here is no such thing as "unrelated" Bible pas/s/ages.
June 20, 2013, 6:04 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Other/s may dispute It. It allows. You, on the other hand play on t/he Other Hand [for Real, sitra aura]. Stop trying to be like Ethan, and saying what you don't Really mean. And Ethan isn't really like Ethan. Which is why he thinks he's Over/Powered me with all this "master of pseudonymity" non/sense. I'm not interested in that debate until he and I are much older and we have more time. This spectacle happened only because "I" took the Day Off and ended up in t/his mess.
June 20, 2013, 6:07 pm
ty from pps says:
Took the day off from writing the great Am/erican ex/pose?
June 20, 2013, 6:10 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
*And Ethan isn't Really like-Ethan.

Here is my e-mail for sanctuary: dennis.farr@gmail.com

No hard feelings ab/Out t/his th/Read, for Real. Move towards what you seek. Matthew 7:7[ha! oh, that 7]
June 20, 2013, 6:13 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
"ex/pose" was Good. "Am/erican" not so much. Maybe "Am/eric/an", but who the f is Eric?
June 20, 2013, 6:14 pm
ty from pps says:
tiresome.
June 20, 2013, 6:19 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
"tire/some" would have been Really Good. Or even "Tire Some"--brill/i/ant. You're Really missing out. But if I am indeed "tiresome" remember that "you" are adding to t/his th/Read. Just saying.
June 20, 2013, 6:24 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
So here's the thing. He sits in my office in Bushwick for a year smoking pot. He wants to make a book about graffiti. The guy does NOTHING! He does not have the slightest clue about how to get something off the ground. What he does have is this prodigious ability to demand that things be done for him. And I realize, wow, I'm dealing with a real welfare case here. And now can anyone tell me if there's a single thing this guy has DONE for the Williamsburg community? A single show, journal, book, pet shop, pizza joint, anything?
June 20, 2013, 7:19 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
It is True. I seek No/Thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin

Krown of Krylon, urbanum tremendum et fascinans

I Am, ehyesh asher ehyeh, canoe/s Right Now, Ethan. But It cannot be mixed with tobacco, or the Head Goes Light and Bursts, Tzimtzum.

shevirat ha-kelim, if "you" may ["you" cannot]
June 20, 2013, 7:31 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You seek no thing. But you expect others to do some/thing for you. In other words you are morally flawed. You have been damaged by the culture of entitlement. And the more you get the louder you cry like a baby. They gave you four years at Vassar, and what have you done with it. You're covered in tattoos like a hipster. But a 45-year-old hipster. Really, Dennis, you should be ashamed of yourself.
June 20, 2013, 7:46 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Why can't "you"? Because t/here is only "I."
June 20, 2013, 7:47 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You constantly cite things I have done, but have nothing to show for yourself.
June 20, 2013, 7:48 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Again, this is all true: I am 42. I have tattoos. I have often been mis/taken for a "hipster/s." That proves the protean nature of It[']s Form, not that "I am" [is] wrong. I don't think anyone has ever read me mock any examples of pieces of "hipster" fashion, literature, film, etc any other taxonomy reaching into "hipster" and being reached by It. I do observe the intrinsic duality of things, "public" and "private" dimensions, as well a Certain Multi/Valence. This reaches into what is meant by "hipster" because I agree, though on different grounds, the concealed influence of this demo/graphic. So I wonder why you implicitly criticize yourself by likening me to you [as a "hipster"]. Be kind/er to yourself. Kindness to [the] Other/s will flow intrinsic from t/here.
June 20, 2013, 7:53 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I fear I have created a freak. Everything he thinks is in some way related to the work I have done in Brooklyn. It's a little scary. He is morbidly obsessed with my history in the neighborhood.
June 20, 2013, 7:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
What I disagree, metaphysically wrought but physically realized, is the "superiority" conferred by the term. This shouldn't underestimate It[']s Power as "mere." It is indeed Power. THE Power. Again, you're correct, but "you" in/habit different grounds. It is Power but It does not Merit-It[']s-Power independent of empathy or compassion, as "you" es/pouse. You're alien to humanity when "you" call your/Self "hipster." I'm Not-Certain about "you." I only k/now that for "me" I wish to b! done with misanthropy.
June 20, 2013, 7:57 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
He promotes me more than I promote myself, and then accuses me of self-aggrandizement.
June 20, 2013, 8:01 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I am [is] here to hunt "you" in this, the sewers of free speech, "you" as in Mythical Crocodile, who stirs turbulent the filth on the floor of dialogue, be/ll/owing contempt for the Den/i/zen Above, provoking the Face with fume from your hate.
June 20, 2013, 8:01 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I moved to Williamsbug and picked up a yapping stray dog for life! AAAAHHH !!!
June 20, 2013, 8:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As for the age thing, I Hope "you" [don't think] I was mocking your age. I was mocking how pathetic you sounded, desperately seeking vali/dation from Albert Gold/son at the motherflowering WG News. We both agree "you" are [is] Ethan Pettit. It's un/b!/coming--so Like-You.
June 20, 2013, 8:04 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
It's like talking to a homeless person.
June 20, 2013, 8:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I Hope *["you" don't think] I was mocking *y/our age.
June 20, 2013, 8:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
haha, again, Ethan Pettit, in t/his "you" have been man/i/pul/ated into s/Peaking the Truth: yes, It is En/Tire/ly True, s/Peaking to "Me" is like "talking to a homeless person." Luke 21:1-4
June 20, 2013, 8:06 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"Validation?" ... from a writer on WG? Wha?
June 20, 2013, 8:07 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan Pettit, are you okay? Have you burst a blood vessel. Dear God. Someone from Brooklyn Paper, Jenn Greenpointers, some/Body, come clean up this mess. It takes awhile to scroll down a re/fresh, and who wants to waste time reading actual repeats of Ethan Pettit's writing?
June 20, 2013, 8:10 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I have the phone in my hand, Ethan. Just tell me you need me to call 911 and I'll send the ambulance. For Real.
June 20, 2013, 8:11 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Okay, I'm done. Unless some white woman comes on here to tell me why this is still relevant, I'm finished with this.
June 20, 2013, 8:13 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
B! well, Ethan Pettit. Live long. Eat better, though. Your eyes looked sunk/en last time "I" saw "you." Get some exercise. Maybe a little sun but not too much at your age. Say hi to Eva for me.
June 20, 2013, 8:15 pm
teresa from greenpoint says:
I am White Woman. Do not invoke me lightly. I am therefore telling you: All of you get offline right away and live your lives by interacting with real people in real life situations for a while. That's an order. Obey White Woman. Disobey at your own peril.

Oh and eat your veggies.
June 20, 2013, 9:27 pm
Johnny Hammersticks from Brooklyn says:
Dennis, I don't have loyalties in the Brooklyn Paper comment sections. I'm my own man with my own thoughts and opinions.

Some days I agree with Ty, most days I don't. Some days I think Die Hipster is a little funny, most days I don't. Point being, just because we've had good relations in the last doesn't mean I owe it to you to be an ally in another article.

Bottom line is, you Nancy's have been arguing all day in the comments section of an article about a White Castle closing down. An article that had to business being thiught if, much less published and written. And 92% of your arguments have nothing to do with what's written. So now I'm going to make fun of you guys for it.
June 20, 2013, 10:21 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, Jonny. I never questioned your independence. I questioned your projection of wasting time with bad content in a message that wasted time with bad content. Like saying something stupid like, 5 people fighting like 2 twins. Dumb. Not disloyal. Just confusing your previous spark of insight with the current dumb you.
June 20, 2013, 10:31 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And, like I said, a blind projection unable to see that the length of the thread you're moaning about is lengthened by your moan. "Genius." You don't get to make fun here. These are celestials battling. You're on a lower level.
June 20, 2013, 10:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And let me tell you an open secret: your pretense of "balance" and "independence" is ——. You basically ape DieHipster. Not that I have a problem with the content of the apeing, but the dissonance that you're some "independent man." Be Real. You have NEVER expressed a thought independent of DieHipster. You get read, too--remember?
June 20, 2013, 10:34 pm
Johnny Hammersticks from Brooklyn says:
I don't have a thought independent of Die Hipster? Lets get a few things straight.

1). I never heard of Die Hipster or his blog until it closed down. I went on it once after I saw that article, and I thought it was stupid. I hated hipsters long before I ever read anything he had to say, or heard of him for that matter. And I hate them for my own personal reasons.

2). I don't like him. I think his act is old. Wasn't funny to begin with. Great. He can find a verb that represents fighting and stupid yuppie names that start with the same letter ... Brilliant.

3). Since you consider yourself such am a I'd reader and commentor, you'd think you would notice that I do participate in conversations other than how hipsters suck.

4). Most of the stuff I say is merely to get a rise out of clowns like you. Thank you for once again proving that I'm good at this. ty usually just ignores me now or simply has a brief sarcastic and humorous quip in response to me, which I've learned to appreciate. But I know there's other out there (i.e. interloper) who always take the bait and cry and cry and cry everytime they see me comment.

I wonder what brilliance the literary chef Danielle Furfaro will bestow upon us today, that will cause you dopes to spend a whole day arguing with people you've never met before. Time to put the baby back down. BUH byyyyyye.
June 21, 2013, 3:58 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
All this for Zion, Johnny. You may not like hipsters, but they deserve a shot as well as the next guy. Spend 40 years on welfare and up to mischief, okay, then you're out of here, the gig's up, you've squandered your claim to Brooklyn. Those are the rules. Now let's get the next guy up to bat. Let's see how they do.
June 21, 2013, 6:39 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Jonny,

We've already settled, while arguing with Ty, that none of us really care what Danielle is writing. We all agree, except for Ethan Multiples, that nothing she is writing is worthwhile. Here, let me quote from the recent Animal Farm article by her:

"So stop pretending that ANYONE here is simply talking about chicken coops by some "hipster/s"/hamster. You think some 80-odd comments, polluted by the likes of you, generates out of genuine concern over a chicken coop? NO. "Gentrification" is meant, whether or not the word is mentioned, and how bizarre, someone with such sensitivity to any use of words whatsoever would need its explicit mention for it to meaningful in this discussion."

Hint: you're wrong we don't know each other. Except for you and DH, we all in fact DO know each other personally and have for 20 years or so. We EXPLOIT, SUBVERT and CO-OP the plat/form provided by Danielle through Brooklyn Paper to further a larger argument. And the purpose is sound: "getting it down on paper," even if It seems odd to you, because this will later serve for reference in further argumentation down the line in the next plat/form we stumble and crash upon.

As for all that other stuff about your independence from DH: that's news to me. But I don't read everything. Nevertheless, if true, I applaud It, whether or not we agree. I tend to think of possibilities in gentrification argument as reducing into three:
1 - You can be an agent of gentrification and support the displacement of "local" people. WRONG.
2 - You can be a nativist and luddite like DH and block the placement of "visitors" and "the interested," as well as block "development." WRONG
3 - You can oppose displacement and be hospitable to people. You can support sound and progressive development that is philanthropic and serves humankind. You can support unity, equality and equity.

I'm down with #3. And it's a rare place. So rare your independence won't be threatened if you agree with me.
June 21, 2013, 7:07 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Excuse me, I didn't quote Danielle from Animal Farm above. I quoted myself responding to TY on the thread accompanying Danielle's article.
June 21, 2013, 7:08 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, we haven't been arguing for 9 hours. We've been arguing for the past 20 years. Ethan fetishizes the people he reduces as "being on welfare"--that's why he envies their place. He is Laelaps, police dog of gentrification. And this entire exercise has been unto Ovid Metamorphoses 7.762
June 21, 2013, 7:16 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Talking in the mirror again, Ethan? True, you did live in Williamsburg in 1983, you squandered your chance, and now you live in Park Slope. Point taken, Ethan.
June 21, 2013, 8:27 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You squander your chance, you're out of here.
June 21, 2013, 8:28 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Those are the rules.
June 21, 2013, 8:28 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As exactly happened to you. You Ethan Pettit squandered your chance in Williamsburg, sabotaging the work of your peers, and now you're out of here. Sweet justice. Oh, sweet.
June 21, 2013, 8:30 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And it's not about race. It's about landowners and the landless. But you watch, the condominium boom will in the long run create more home ownership in Brooklyn, even for lower-income folks. It is a good trend, but you have to be farsighted. And you have to give the hipsters a chance at bat. It's only fair play.
June 21, 2013, 8:34 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Though, to be fair, you've never been one to state or set any rules. You've never had any genuine power except in the value of this debate that I brought forth from you et al's provocations of "Williamsburg before." And here you are, looking for me, following me, finding me. You're welcome. I'll find you place here in Williamsburg, brother, from where you were ejected by your squandering. It's okay. The rules actually are that mistakes can be forgiven, and even Neandarthals given another chance.
June 21, 2013, 8:35 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Right, it's not about race. Like when you tallied all the European demographics and called them "the norm" and singled out the Puerto Ricans as "exceptional" to be "excised." You think Hammersticks is reading so you want to pretend you never said all these horrible racist things. I'm glad you got a little sleep, though, just not enough. Remember, sleep is vital for cognitive function.
June 21, 2013, 8:37 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And you have to keep your eye on the ball, on the topic at hand, or on the big issues. Hurling insults is a game anyone can play. So I suggest we get back to discussing the "merits" of White Castle.
June 21, 2013, 8:38 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
YAWN. Your smoke gets in the eyes.
June 21, 2013, 8:40 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Someone's getting pesky at brooklyn paper. I've lost a few comments, so I'm not sure what the rules of engagement are here at this point. I can play redneck, I can play nicey nice. Name your flavor, but let me know where the boundaries are. And I assume they apply to all players.
June 21, 2013, 8:44 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, you silly little pretender. You posted duplicate comments the very minute they were "deleted." And now you want to pretend this is similar to when comments by others have been deleted herein at your behest [as in Inez's multiple deleted comments]. You and Jenn G and Brooklyn Paper deserve each other at the asylum.
June 21, 2013, 8:48 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Meh. I gotta bail. I'm losing comments.
June 21, 2013, 8:52 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
What? Did you "squander your chance" and now you're out to the curb? Matthew 26:52
June 21, 2013, 8:56 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Brooklyn Paper deleted some of my comments. No biggie. They don't owe me anything, it's their paper. I rejected things all the time when I ran local papers. The Chooch does not confound this with "censorship." That is a trait of the culture of entitlement, which thinks anyone with a printing press owes them the time of day.
June 21, 2013, 9:02 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hahaha. You're such a liar. The comments you "lost" are intact at 9:28am above. HAHA So predict/able that you would exploit such a seemingly innocuous statement, oppor/tune isn't It?, to white/wash your toxic tenure editing the Waterfront Week [which you, to spite, undermine and sabotage other REAL artists, seized and sold for $1 to reactionaries in the Community Board, who in turn ran It into the ground]--you know that tenure, from whereby you project your current observations on "culture of entitlement." Haha
June 21, 2013, 9:07 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You already know that none of It matters or what anyone ever says exposing your lies matters, if only you believe yourself and are certain. But clearly you don't, clearly you're not certain, or you wouldn't have to discourse and seek deponents/respondents. You need someone to believe you. And here you are, big bad Ethan Pettit, before seeking validation from Albert Goldson, now looking for it here. It's not becoming, brother.
June 21, 2013, 9:10 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
So I had to go back to the top of the article, and I see the White Castle there was started in 1992. I would have thought 1962. I stand corrected. But that means it started a year after the Waterfront Week. I guess we never gave them a review. Ha.
June 21, 2013, 9:13 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
But I'm glad the Waterfront Week is still gnawing away at jealous minds.
June 21, 2013, 9:30 am
Zarda from South Slope says:
White Castle = disgusting, unhealthy, obesity driven products. Yes - good riddance.
June 21, 2013, 9:46 am
JAZ from Hunting Redbeards says:
"What is especially funny is that the first two commenters above this real Brooklynite's comment would be the first ones eating SLIDERS if an "artisanal, locally-sourced, craft-ale" bar opened in this exact location. How 'ironic'.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA yups and hipsters are so easily pegged."

Looks like diehipster nailed it with the 3rd comment. If it were Archer & Harrison's Ye Olde Slider Shoppe, with some nonsense about 'artisanal, farm to table, grass fed, etc.', every ultra pale bearded stick would be flocking there. Then they'd blog about how 'Brooklyn' it is over a cup of fair trade kah-fee, even though they were still back home in Des Moines 2 years ago.

Easily pegged says it all.
June 21, 2013, 10:02 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Well Jaz, except that the food at White Castle is loaded with hormones, which is why the chooches grow breasts around here. If it were a hipster joint it would be locally sourced, organic, and clean. Bottom line: their product sucks, so their out of business. That's the market, that's capitalism. What are you, a communist? Now you want welfare for White Castle TOO?
June 21, 2013, 10:15 am
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
Oh shut up! The loss of a White Castle shaped like a castle is always a bad thing. But the one on Myrtle Ave is still going strong.
June 21, 2013, 10:17 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
If somebody makes crap and they can't sell it, why is this a "bad thing?" If a neighborhood is a dump and it gets fixed up, why is this a "bad thing?" If a condo goes up and employs a hundred mooks, why is this a "bad thing?"
June 21, 2013, 10:28 am
Vince DiMiceli (Brooklyn Paper) says:
Guys, it is time you took this conversation offline.

Maybe you should trade e-mails or text each other or something.

Just sayin'.
June 21, 2013, 10:52 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
If we remove the hateful rhetoric, what remains of Ethan's posts may offer perspective. Of course all this lamentation over White Castle's departure baffles the senses. Corporate chain. �� Toxic cuisine. �� Poor environmental impact. �� Absentee ownership in a community already skewed of Direct Presence. ������

And of course an enterprise that is locally-owned, healthy meaningful cuisines, "organic" [Ethan Pettit seems to write that the "inorganic" of the "previous cuisine" emerged sui generis and isn't like this White Castle here he is pretending to condemn: imposed], with responsible environmental and comm/unity impact should be encouraged and invited to root in this, Our Comm/unity. But a crucial threshold exists that makes this otherwise "perfect" transition a mockery: namely that attendant with all the benefits of this "placing" Ethan Pettit as an agent of gentrification extols an elitist homogenous narrowing reducing population to in/habit "ownership." Thus, phantasmagoria all these "benefits" he is espousing. The absurdity is concealed: tantalizing and seducing the current be/grudging inhabits from their space with benefits they will be deprived PRECISELY by their removal. This notion that the "creative class" is a boon to economy, so famously lobbied by Richard Florida, is now admitted by its nationally-renowned author of its "limitations" ["fraudulence" is a better word]. As the Daily Beast here examines, concentrated accrual of public and private investment in the so-called "creative class" has engendered no benefit for society but has instead concentrated accrual of class. Something to think about when we more deeply consider the merits of this particular move on Metropolitan Avenue:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/20/richard-florida-concedes-the-limits-of-the-creative-class.html
June 21, 2013, 11:13 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
By the way, all those question marks inside diamonds that appear to be censoring some bleep by me are actually thumbs-up emoticons. Sorry.
June 21, 2013, 11:14 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
...and isn't like this White Castle here he is pretending to condemn: imposed *by the selfsame parties now imposing the "organic" label and category.
June 21, 2013, 11:15 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Empha/sizing, at the risk of blockage or deletion, that Daily Beast article:

"Among the most pervasive, and arguably pernicious, notions of the past decade has been that the “creative class” of the skilled, educated and hip would remake and revive American cities. The idea, packaged and peddled by consultant Richard Florida, had been that unlike spending public money to court Wall Street fat cats, corporate executives or other traditional elites, paying to appeal to the creative would truly trickle down, generating a widespread urban revival."
June 21, 2013, 11:19 am
Stan from Windsor Terrace says:
Regardless if the food is bad or not it's another story of an existing business priced out by developers.

That's the name of the game these days.
June 21, 2013, 11:22 am
Homey from Crooklyn says:
Y'all need to get a life....and a job
June 21, 2013, 12:07 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'm lonely and have no friends. My girlfriend pays all the bills because I have no job. I'm also a chronic masturbater and mutilate my genitals from time to time. This is OK though, because my girlfriend sleeps around with the neighborhood kids.
June 22, 2013, 12:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I'm in love with Ethan, I want him balls deep inside me.
June 22, 2013, 12:47 pm
K from Your hood says:
Cure for gentrification ,
Get your kids to knuckle down in school , study hard and get a well paying job,
Then,
They save their money and buy a condo so transplants cant, done and done,
Your welcome
June 22, 2013, 3:49 pm
K from Your hood says:
Cure for gentrification ,
Get your kids to knuckle down in school , study hard and get a well paying job,
Then,
They save their money and buy a condo so transplants cant, done and done,
Your welcome
June 22, 2013, 3:49 pm
Ty, Chooch, Dennis from Just Get a Room Already! says:
Do you guys not see how pathetic your public exchange is? Are you lonely or on meth? What's wrong with you guys?
June 24, 2013, 10:40 am
"Interloper" from Kent Ave says:
I go on vacation for a bit and there is a surge of controversy on the Brooklyn Paper message boards... This got so bad between you clowns that you got Vince involved!!! hahaha this is the best one yet.

For the record, White Castle is delicious. Anyone who hates White Castle obviously hates America.

Johnny - Thanks for bringing me up in your commentary. I'm glad that you missed me. How's that GED you're working on?
June 24, 2013, 11:50 am

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