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Welcome to the Sludge Hook pier!

A band of Red Hookers say the federal government should approve a plan to turn sludge dredged from the toxic Gowanus Canal into a concrete landmass off the community’s shore.

Members of the Red Hook Houses Community Action Coalition say they’re all-in on the controversial plan that would turn the treated muck into a massive landmass jutting off concrete titan John Quadrozzi Jr.’s property at the foot of Columbia Street because its construction would bring much-needed jobs to the neighborhood.

“This is something to look forward to,” said coalition member Ray Hall. “People can change their lives tremendously by having a job.”

The feds say that the construction of the landmass, which is called a “confined disposal facility,” will build out the waterfront at the Gowanus Bay Terminal and Gowanus Industrial Park. They also claim it would create up to 60 jobs over the course of six years.

Workers would drain the grime on Quadrozzi’s property, mix it with cement-like materials, then store it as stabilized concrete inside a bathtub-like fixture made of reinforced steel. The fixture would be buried in the Gowanus Bay and connected to Quadrozzi’s property.

Once the project is done, Quadrozzi can do whatever he wants with the land as long as he complies with federal guidelines, said Environmental Protection Agency officials.

The concrete tycoon said that he would use the new land to grow his shipping terminal, expand maritime development in Red Hook, and create a public park.

“This is an opportunity for (Quadrozzi) to build up the waterfront and be consistent with everything else going on in Red Hook,” said Hall.

Not surprisingly, the plan to bring the muck sitting at the bottom of Brooklyn’s nautical purgatory to a different neighborhood has been attacked by some. Anti-sludgecrete activists have blasted the proposal on their website “No Toxic Red Hook,” claiming they fear for their health, say the terra forming would create a flood risk, and worry the plan would have an adverse affect on the Hook’s nearby pool ball fields.

But government officials say the sludge used to construct the landmass would be dredged from the least-contaminated section of the canal bed — which is south of Hamilton Avenue — moved by barge, and treated to remove toxins such as coal tar and heavy metals. This would eliminate any health risks, they claim.

And some Red Hook Housing residents are taking the feds on their word.

“The EPA has never done anything to harm us,” said Lille Marshall, Coalition member and head of the tenants association for Red Hook Houses West. “This is for the betterment of the community.”

Superfund project manager Christos Tsiamis has said at numerous public meetings that if there is large community opposition to the on-site disposal facility then the agency will ship all of the sludge to a licensed treatment facility.

The 90-day public comment period on the proposed plan ended April 27, and the governments final plan will be released by the summer.

Reach reporter Natalie Musumeci at nmusumeci@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4505. Follow her at twitter.com/souleddout.
Updated 10:10 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Maps tell more truth from Brooklyn says:
Look at your maps. That proposed land fill is part of the Gowanus canal. It's all ONE canal. Who has decided that this isn't part of the canal? People living on other land-fill in Red Hook?
May 1, 2013, 2:51 pm
yea from Red Hook says:
'Maps', your brilliant!!

The TRUTH prevails, and the majority of Red Hook has stepped up to the plate...Fantastic-BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!

This project will turn a new chapter for "Remediation and Reuse" rather than the same old waste dumping, and it will happen here in Red Hook, proactive, innovative, forward thinking...
May 1, 2013, 6:01 pm
JJBurkard from Red Hook says:
This has been overblown so much it's difficult to comment any further on it, But I'll try....The serious oppomemts to this sludge GC cleanup are spreading so many false rumors....Even slandering the company who may be getting the project contract. This fact alone indicates some ulterior motive for wanting to stop it...The Quadruzzi Co or GBX is a community dedicated one with future plans that include both sides of the canal...It is a rare opportunity indeed to have this come our way...It' a once in a lifetime opportunity for the area, bring it on.....
May 1, 2013, 7:40 pm
JJBurkard from Red Hook says:
This has been overblown so much it's difficult to comment any further on it, But I'll try....The serious oppomemts to this sludge GC cleanup are spreading so many false rumors....Even slandering the company who may be getting the project contract. This fact alone indicates some ulterior motive for wanting to stop it...The Quadruzzi Co or GBX is a community dedicated one with future plans that include both sides of the canal...It is a rare opportunity indeed to have this come our way...It' a once in a lifetime opportunity for the area, bring it on.....
May 1, 2013, 7:40 pm
JJBurkard from Red Hook says:
This has been overblown so much it's difficult to comment any further on it, But I'll try....The serious oppomemts to this sludge GC cleanup are spreading so many false rumors....Even slandering the company who may be getting the project contract. This fact alone indicates some ulterior motive for wanting to stop it...The Quadruzzi Co or GBX is a community dedicated one with future plans that include both sides of the canal...It is a rare opportunity indeed to have this come our way...It' a once in a lifetime opportunity for the area, bring it on.....
May 1, 2013, 7:41 pm
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
1) Quadrozzi's a known polluter in Red Hook.
2) Quadrozzi was about to unleash a live-music weekend club at his concrete plant in Gowanus for up to 4,000 drunk hipsters until the Carroll Gardens neighbors stopped him.
3) Quadrozzi let his house in Cobble Hill go to —— because he refused to restore it to landmark standards.

How many people has he promised jobs to (PAID OFF) to get this kind of endorsement?

Does anyone trust this guy that hasn't been paid off?
May 1, 2013, 10:39 pm
a friend from of ours says:
anyone know what quadrozzi's pop did for a living?
May 1, 2013, 11:22 pm
a friend from of ours is a coward says:
hey "a friend from" q-pops employed hundreds of people in the rockaways and did it for over 40 years. he manufactured some of the highest strength concrete used in projects like time warner, trump tower and now the freedom tower.

what has your pop done but give birth to an idiot...
May 2, 2013, 9:35 am
I'm from the neighborhood says:
Mike Curatore; sounds like there was too much imbreeding in your blood line, overly aggressive and lacking in the IQ dept.
1) The dock broke at the gowanus terminal and the sand fell in the water - is that pollution? Or your own sh_ that you flush into the canal everyday, or the street runoff filled with your cars leaking oil, toxic anti-freeze, etc. Sounds like the pot trying to call the kettle!
2) ...And if folks liked the live-music like many do, would that be bad? And are the drunk yuppies spewing from the Smith St bars and restaurants a bad thing too? Perhaps Mike just prefers yuppies over hipsters. Folks file permits, the city accepts or rejects, and the property/business owners are the scape goats? I think not.
3) landmarks standards is to patch and cover, most call "stucco" - a primitive form of modern day aluminimum siding, but non-the-less a coverup of failing structures which sadly proliferates deterioration. Brownstones are falling around us thanks to LPC putting their head in the sand and putting facade over structure. And what LPC calls a restoration is nothing but a mud job. Q on the other hand fought the LPC for years to completely rebuild the failed structure which he bought that way from LICH who let it get into that condition over the 50 years or so that they owned it and did nada. As Q stood up to LPC, he succeeded in rebuilding the entire exterior of the house, used the same highstrength concrete to reinforce the foundation which his company developed and used in the Freedom Tower, and now has probably the strongest brownstone in CH. Q won!

So what about Mike Curatore, what has he ever accomplished? Anything that gives him the right to judge without taking the time to think first?
May 2, 2013, 9:54 am
QuadrozzisPonyTail from Red Hook says:
...and benefit a private landowner who has initiated this campaign and changed proposed plans multiple times in order to add 450,000 sq. ft. of land to his property and have free bulkhead replacement. Rather than actually investing in the community over the past 20 years John Quadrozzi has 1.)brought 0 jobs to the neighborhood 2.)riddled the streets with concrete residue 3.)been fined by DEC for dumping concrete into the water-this has been witnessed 4.)brought minimal industrial activity to the waterfront 5.) refused to properly permit multiple improvements to his property 6.)reinvest in the infrastructure of the large grain terminal building leaving it empty and utilized for concrete storage for decades. This cancer has poisoned the Red Hook community and continues to do so in an effort to benefit personally from a plan that he and other individuals brought to the EPA in the first place. He and Phaedra Thomas, a lobbyist under his employ, have effectively bought off certain neighborhood leaders and groups with the promises of space, donations, JOBS, all of which will not come to fruition based on this private landowner's reputation of not giving anything to the people and other businesses of Red Hook. He has not supported any not-for-profits substantially until now, when he sees an opportunity to utilize Falconworks, Portside NY and Red Hook Rise's supposed credibility to his benefit. Everyone who has half of a brain can see through this farce and should view it objectively - not by believing promises from a proven liar and criminal. I am ashamed to be from Red Hook and see folks be taken advantage of by Quadrozzi, Phaedra Thomas and any other selfish, money hungry individuals pushing this deal that will be a detriment to Red Hook for decades. The money saved by the EPA's funders will be approximately 40 million. The money gained by Quadrozzi based on the land and free improvements he earns will be well over 50 million. How does 60 JOBS over six years equate to these savings which are not benefiting Red Hook! How many Red Hook residents has Quadrozzi or his 1 or 2 tenants ever employed!? This is all without saying the potential dangers of this process and the transport of it to all residents and businesses in close proximity to it. Please look at their poorly compiled website with letters of support coming as recently as last week, immediately prior to the EPA deadline. They even used a letter from the Brooklyn Greenway Initiative from May 2012 which was in support of a completely different plan that was initially proposed. There are even photos of this jerk "saving" a baby seal...what a laughable bonehead. Hey Quadrozzi - please explain without lying what exactly you have done for this neighborhood? Please list all monetary contributions and actions benefiting local organizations which have not been associated with your disorganized, uninformative plans for your proposed land grab.
May 2, 2013, 10:03 am
another voice from Carroll Gardens says:
anyone who knows Quadruzzi knows he's an honest guy, tries to work with everyone, does things for the right reason and doesn't entertain anything shady. His father was a good and kind man as well. Stop the stone throwing
May 2, 2013, 10:49 am
yea from Red Hook says:
Hay QuadrozzisPonyTail, you sound like that kook Sones in the video, dancing around the room, yelling and stuttering while trying to read his hate list. Did you support the No Toxic Red Hook people with their printed lies, and what would that make you? Yes, take a look at their website with all the support they've given, the letters that were written, now AND before. Sorry you feel it wasn't enough, but what is enough?

The opposition was baseless, just torch yeilding yellers, hiding behind a desire to gentrify and drive out industry and low income people. Sad but true.

What a pleasure it was to have the Red Hook Houses stand up for industry and themselves.
May 2, 2013, 11:23 am
Red Hook Houses Resident from Red Hook says:
We all know that Quadrozzi has a few members of NYCHA in his pocket. The last meeting he had to try to sway the EPA had roughly 10 people in attendance. Most residents of the Red Hook houses would prefer not to have a CDF or a dewatering facility in there backyard. Quadrozzi is not to be trusted. This whole thing smells fishy. Most residents are not fooled by this garbage proposal.
May 2, 2013, 12:17 pm
b.byrd from red hook... says:
...isn't that your name? your the fool being used by, paid by... and by the way, where's the missing money that got you ousted? sniff around yourself if you want to know where it's comming from.
May 2, 2013, 12:46 pm
just me from Red Hook says:
quadruzzi has been in da hood since the 90's. I seen him out there giving back to the community - I seen the pony rides @ coffey park every year for the Natl night out and the DTE red hook fest fliers every year with his support. He sponsors the todd triangle over by Ikea and is always there to lend a hand - ask the Waterfront Barge Musem who was there when O'Connells place fell into the water and left a plume... Ask Portside whose helping. Have you been to Red Hook's annual family day and old timers day?? Of course not because all you haters just want to bash a good thing.
May 2, 2013, 1:03 pm
Julie B says:
Red Hook Houses called it, the community was put in a state of terror by postering in peoples homes, heckling at meetings where any civil person would be intimidated and withdrawn. It's great that the Houses came together and didn't allow themselves to be misled by the wacks in the back!
May 2, 2013, 1:36 pm
a spectator from Red Hook says:
thanks Natalie Musumeci for great reporting. Nothing wrong with the EPA's plan -they want to clean up the canal. Nothing wrong with the GBX plan -looks like it'll bring all kinds of great things to Red Hook -maritime, jobs, museum, park, etc. Hey just look what the Brooklyn Navy Yard did for its neighborhood.
May 2, 2013, 1:51 pm
Goon Fever from RedHook says:
What an absolute joke. I can pretty much predict that the EPA will not put a CDF on Quadrazzis property. This whole Red Hook houses fakery Is laughable . Nobody wants this crap in our community. With the high rates of Asthma etc. a CDf is the last thing we need on some concrete A pony rides not gonna do it for me.
May 2, 2013, 1:51 pm
Goon Fever from RedHook says:
Most people from the Red Hook housed don't want this CDF in our neighborhood. I happen to be one of them . You can't bribe me with pretend jobs . I'm a bit more concerned with my kids health .Not some connected guy expanding his concrete plant . You can't bribe everyone. Shame! Shame!Shame!
May 2, 2013, 1:58 pm
TOM MURPHY from sunset park says:
And now for something completely different:

A report was made public this week on untreated & partly treated sewage that ended up in the New York Harbor. The individual source points/Combined Sewer Outlets were listed but somewhat vaguely and sometimes misidentifed).

I bet everyone around the Gowanus Canal and Red Hook would want to know what quantities exited into the Canal. Then they might want to compare that volume to the volumes of the two proposed retaining tanks(one under Double D park). Are they enough? Too much?

Remember Sandy was not an 'extreme rain event', only a 'sea surge event', and not a real test of how bad things might be. Better to know the bad news up front.
May 2, 2013, 2:14 pm
Buy All the Opinions You Can from Greater Quaddrozi-ville says:
Wow, all these great comments about what a great job that great guy Quadrozzi will create are just...GREAT!

Great, big, unbelievable, obviously paid for by Quadrozzi, stinkin', pollutin' BS.

And this is how stupid he thinks everybody else is. Him, with his ponytail!
May 2, 2013, 4:09 pm
no bribe Red Hook from Red Hook says:
Quadrozzi is quoted as saying he would use some of landfilled area as a park. There is a park there w/ water views. The views were fenced closed w/ 10' high corrugated metal for 3 YEARS BY Quadrozzi. City had to take him to court to remove. There is no indication by any insane stretch of the imagination any of the landfill will be put to any public use in any way whatsoever. The landfilled area Quadrozzi gains will be completely fenced off from everyone else, just as the rest of his property is. There is no way in hell any of it will be put to public use. I think it's truly sleazy the EPA is considering increasing a private landord's private land holdings with public money.
May 2, 2013, 4:25 pm
CDF vrs CSO from Brooklyn says:
Tom has the right focus. The DEP will be turning on their new super-duper Flushing Tunnel this year. And where are they flushing the big communal Gowanus toilet to?
Might the people in Red Hook and Sunset Park be directing their anger at the wrong environmental agency and the wrong infrastructure? It is the DEP who is going to deliver the toxins and pollution to all of Red Hook's shore, not the EPA.
Anyone worried about another storm surge and rising tides should look to the real treats to their community.
We should expect that the city will use this argument over the CDF to tell Washington the community doesn't want this EPA cleanup. Red Hook and Sunset Park needs the EPA cleanup program to force the city to do what they have said they won't do, stop the sewage flow.
May 2, 2013, 4:41 pm
yakety yack from don't talk back says:
Clean the canal, clean the sludge, all enclosed, reuse the dredge, expand the terminal, make a park. I don't see any negatives here other than what sounds like some sour grapes.

Great plan!
May 2, 2013, 6:15 pm
Jamie S. from Carroll Gardens says:
Red Hook did not want Ikea, Red Hook did not want Fairway, Red Hook did not want Cruise terminal, Red Hook does not want CDF. This place is such a joke, all these people do is whine and complain.
May 2, 2013, 8:37 pm
to and from Red Hook says:
The place is not a joke, nor the people, just the misleader. The tache is behind all these "anti-everything" rallys and it's time for him to go, and the BS will stop. It is time!
May 2, 2013, 10:40 pm
my 2 cents from Red Hook says:
Down with the tache and up with the CDF. It is time for a change for the better. My 2 cents are with the EPA. It sounds like the smartest way to do it.
May 2, 2013, 10:54 pm
Red Hook park user from REd Hook says:
I've been to all the EPA meetings listened and to lots of peoples opinions and thoughts. Fact is with Quadrozzis previous record it would be an extremely bad idea for the Federal Government to be involved with him in any way. Also expanding a private land owners property by filling in waterfront is totally unacceptable especially if it leads to an expanded concrete plant. All this talk of Parks , Museums etc. Is just a smoke screen for one connected guys land grab at the expense of all Red Hook residents. A CDF or dewatering plant next to our ball fields swimming pool, and homes doesn't make any sense. This community has enough environmental problems to deal with . The trust this guy attitude isn't gonna cut it. . My family and children's health is a bit more important then some vague ever shifting pseudo eco business proposal . Quadrozzi and his team of paid flunkeys are not fooling anyone. How this proposal even got on the table is beyond me. This is one vague proposal by the EPA ,and from what we've been told it's not gonna happen . So stop your whining and lets get the Gowanus canal cleaned up properly and safely for all residents.
May 3, 2013, 10:29 am
to the Red Hook Park BS'er from REd Hook I says:
You all have heard the Federal Gov, and they know better about who they should deal with, especially with a bunch of knuckle heads always telling them what not to do, and they advised the public on their choice to work with this owner. A concrete plant isn't there now to expand upon, a concrete plant can go there with or without a the CDF, a concrete plant wouldn't go on the CDF even if one was created as it would be attached to the grain silo - if you went to all the meetings, you would have seen that. Further, there's nothing wrong with a concrete plant anyway, completly harmless and within a completely industrial area of the community. And the CDF would be south of the terminal, away from houses, parks, etc., not that it would matter as it would be completly enclosed and safeguarded by the EPA. - Safer than riding your bike and cleaner than the exhaust from your chimney. And the EPA is doing it for their benifit, not the owners, which inturn is for the benefit of Red Hook and all of the USA, as the NYC tax payers and Keyspan customers will foot the bill, and federal taxes will pay for what's not covered by them, and the whole human race will inhale the additional pollution if taken further away. The EPA choose this site because it was the best site to use. So if all you can come up with is that one of our good businesses are getting an advantage out of it, than I say YES, let a Red Hook business get it and keep it in the neighborhood, by all means!

The only contamination effecting this community is the alcohol in people's system, mostly coming from the Bait & Tackle trying to "hook" folks on the "Hype"! (it's all in their name - "bait & tackle" is used to trick less intelligent and unsuspecting creatures, aka fish (in this case fishey smelling and rotten), same as the "No Toxic lies & tricks", "bait & tackle"). Red Hook Houses has said YES, and if the west end ever stays out of the bars long enough to sober up, they may say YES too. One can only hope though.
May 4, 2013, 11:41 am
Red Hook Hype from Red Hook says:
I'm from the Red Hook houses and I do not want a CDF in my neighborhood. You do not speak for the entire Red Hook houses. I assume you're part of a small group bought and paid for by Quadrozzi . We are all sick of your lies and double speak. You can't fool everyone. The EPA proposed this as one option . Not an end all and be all. Most people in Red Hook are against this option. Safer then Riding your bike and cleaner then a chimney. What is wrong with you? At this point after Hurricane Sandy the last thing we need is a Concrete plant owner promising us the moon and giving us toxic landfill and more industrial pollution. We have a beautiful park right across the street. Lets not ruin it. No intelligent person would say yes to this absurd proposal . Smarten up,and think about the children who live in the area. We have enough toxic crap to deal with. The way you try to spread division is sickening. It's not us against them. It's the community looking out for it's health and well being.
May 4, 2013, 12:05 pm
diehipsters from Gowanus says:
lol, Ponytail!
QuadrozzisPonytail from Red Hook: here's a joke: how many avengers does it take to figure out if I am using the comments section from BP as my own personal site?
May 4, 2013, 12:11 pm
divided make us united from Red Hook says:
There were a few civic/gag token houses resident at the good shepard lynching, all 4 of them, well known. All for housing and selling out of their own people. If you want to sleep with the back, then move to the back.
May 4, 2013, 12:28 pm
don't keep up the hype from Red Hook says:
I didn't like the plan at first either, because everone said it was bad, but I read and listened to both sides, and what I learned was that it was perfectly safe, I met the owner and his wife, and they were nice. I agree with the Red Hook Houses representitives, and I support it, including the moon if they can make it happen, as this is the only good thing other than Ikea that anyone has ever tried to do on our side of Red Hook, and there ain't nothing wrong with me thank you mr hype.
May 4, 2013, 12:56 pm
Support from the Red Hook option says:
Divided or not, who cares, ain't no one from the back ever done anything for anyone but themselves. They divided us with Fairway, then did it again with Ikea. Do they think we forgot? You can't be our enemy one day and then scare us into being your friend the next. You people from the back think people in the houses are stupid. Stick to your side and let us stick to ours. We want this now, so leave us alone and let us have it. Yea, stop the hype and let the EPA make it happen in Red Hook for Red Hook. Divided make us united, I like that, makes sense when you think about it.
May 4, 2013, 1:31 pm
Louie 'Clams' Delevan from South Brooklyn says:
Quadrozzi is Lucchese Family stooge-- want to explain that one away, J.J.?

Let's hear it, champ, go.
May 4, 2013, 3:03 pm
Louie 'Clams' Delevan from South Brooklyn says:
Quadrozzi is Lucchese Family stooge-- want to explain that one away, J.J.?

Let's hear it, champ, go.
May 4, 2013, 3:03 pm
my 2 cents from Red Hook says:
i hate clams with tache, very smelly and they hide under the mud and eat sludge and don't want it cleaned
May 4, 2013, 3:54 pm
will it be the truth from South Brooklyn says:
All I see is a BIG DEVELOPER paying off a bunch of donkeys to distract from what the EPA is proposing. That's why they hee haw at meetings and follow a no name no face "grassroots sign". Only in Red Hook kids, only in Red Hook.
May 4, 2013, 8:38 pm
Veronica C from Carroll Gardens says:
Mr. Quadrozzi can't you hear that Red Hook residents don't want this. They rallied and came to all 3 meetings and there voices were heard - 550 voices united and strong. Don't you get it Mr. Quadrozzi, the residents of Red Hook have spoken. All 550 of them!!
May 4, 2013, 9:17 pm
Support from the Red Hook option says:
I like that, all 550 of them, the few!!
May 4, 2013, 10:43 pm
The last word from Red Hook says:
I'm happy that so many people have come around and see this project for what it is now, simply a good and safe oportunity for the EPA, GBX and the part of the local community still in favor of industry over housing. This is the last hold out in Red Hook.
May 4, 2013, 11 pm
The last word from Red Hook says:
I'm happy that so many people have come around and see this project for what it is now, simply a good and safe oportunity for the EPA, GBX and the part of the local community still in favor of industry over housing. This is the last hold out in Red Hook.
May 4, 2013, 11:01 pm
Get a grip from Red Hook says:
Filling in waterfront with toxic sludge for a Concrete plant owner with mob ties and numerous environmental violations is not a good or safe opportunity for anyone. I can promise you the EPA is regretting it ever even brought this option up. It's not a question of industry over housing . It's a question of a healthy future for all residents. and park users.
Phaedra Thomas and all of Quadrozzis (GBX) hired hands seem like a bunch of snake oil salesman at this point. It's actually kind of frightening. Get a grip.
May 5, 2013, 10:50 am
Got a grip from Red Hook says:
the false prophets and their followers have been "Called Out", there's more than one Red Hook, one for those who want industry to stay, and the other that doesn't that uses the other for their conviencience while working full time to drive them out and gentrify. Everyone heard Sones say he wants to remove the IBZ's, cyrstal clear.

The Houses want it and it is on their side of the hook. If you don't want it, KEEP OUT! (where better off without you anyway ; )
May 5, 2013, 12:27 pm
The house from Red Hook says:
You don't speak for everyone who lives in the houses. No one wants this toxic material right next to us. Mind your tongue . Something tells me you're in it for the money honey. You don't represent our community. Stop your hate spew,and act like an adult.
May 5, 2013, 3:16 pm
Got a grip from Red Hook says:
Why is it always that when people can't justify their cause, they resort to name calling and irrelevent acqusations, that's childish. The EPA said it was a safe process and no one provided proof to the contrary. It's for industry and not for housing, that's why the Houses Supports the Red Hook Option.

If your from the Red Hook Houses, speak to your tenant association representitives to understand how this will benifit you.
May 5, 2013, 6:50 pm
what? from Red Hook says:
Ray we all know the tenant association is getting cash from Quadrozzi. The benefits are short term for a few and really bad long term for most residents. You can't fool everyone. Nobody wants this crap in our neighborhood. Do the right thing for the sake of your community and admit this is a very bad idea.
May 5, 2013, 9:57 pm
Got a Grip from Red Hook says:
OK, I'm Ray. So since you know everything, what's bad?
May 5, 2013, 11:31 pm
M. Wildwood from Red Hook says:
Natalie Musumeci, you should be ashamed. It is obvious The Brooklyn Papers are in the pay of Quadrozzi. Red Hook has suffered enough taking other peoples' garbage. We are NOT going to do it anymore. You guys waited until after the comment period was over to print these lies. Interesting. Anyone who had been at the last public meeting on April 16th at South Brooklyn Community High School would know: Red Hook does NOT want toxic sludge! Not the Projects not the Point, nobody. The poison will contaminate the ball fields and the farm which are on the site proposed. Come on, how could you write "Bring on Gowanus Sludge"? Disgusting.
May 6, 2013, 3:34 pm
M. Wildwood from Red Hook says:
The Brooklyn Papers is obviously in the pay of Quadrozzi. Interesting you waited until after the public comment period was over to print these lies. Anyone who had been at the last meeting on April 16th at South Brooklyn Community High School would know: Red Hook does NOT want toxic sludge! Not the Projects, not the Point, nobody. We will not allow the ball fields and the farm and the rest of our community to be contaminated. It shows your contempt that you would write, "Bring it on". Disgusting.
May 6, 2013, 3:40 pm
Got a Grip from Red Hook says:
Wildwood, are you trying to silence the only fair reporting this project has gotten. Everything is enclosed, everything is safe, it's done all the time. What era are you from? This is 2013! Look at the garbage spewing out of the Red Hook Star Revue, don't you see they have no other customers than the Van Brunt strip, they're just sucking up to the only clients they have, those decorated with yellow signs. The EPA said zero risks. You can say something to the contrary as many time as you like, but EPA hasn't waivered, hasn't backed down, they said it is a perfectly safe proposal, they came back over and over until the Houses listened. Now let the Houses choose for themselves and let's thank Natalie for maintaining her integrity, you go girl! Thank god there are some people in this community with some guts.
May 6, 2013, 10:11 pm
Boring from Red Hook says:
You sound like a broken record . You don't speak for people in the houses .You speak for your own greedy self. Thats right listen to the EPA . The EPA didn't say zero risks. The EPA also said they can predict that the CDF will not happen on Quadrozzi property . Live with it ,and be happy that you have people that care about the safety and well being of the community. Stop your ranting and accept that common sense has prevailed . Your payday is over . Do something good and stop trying to divide . It's everyone. It's getting boring. !
May 6, 2013, 11:05 pm
George Fiala from Red Hook says:
We actually have more readers in the Red Hook Houses than elsewhere in Red Hook, which is just natural since the majority of people in Red Hook live there. We are the paper for the whole neighborhood. Just ask anybody!

George & Kimberly,
Red Hook Star-Revue
May 7, 2013, 2:18 am
Got a Grip from Red Hook says:
People in public and private houses don't advertise, the only advertising/money the Star Revue gets is from the merchants with yellow signs. Stop trying to be slick with your words. Isn't it bad enough you've saturated the Star Revue with lies to push one agenda, and are attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees, but now you have to use another media? George & Kimberly say "We are THE paper for the whole neighborhood", just listen to yourselfs, your so full of it, full of yourselves.
May 7, 2013, 7:09 am
c'mon from Red Hook says:
You are way off base get a grip. Keep on digging your hole. The Star Revue covers a range of topics important to Red Hook, LICH etc. You should be happy our community has a newspaper willing to explore issues relevant to the community. Again you don't represent a vast majority of people in the houses. You are untitled to opinion however .
May 7, 2013, 8:14 am
Got a Grip from Red Hook says:
Thank you entitling me to my opinion which is more that the Star Revue is doing for the supporters of the project. If Star "explores issues relevent to the community", then why are they slandering the voices of the community that support the project? Have you read the disgrace the just put on line? The hole that's being dug is for the Star, can't wait to see them try and claw their way out. We've got the Brooklyn Paper that covers LICH, this and all other topics inportant to Red Hook and all of Brooklyn - they don't rely on one body for their income.
May 7, 2013, 9:39 am
I'm from Red Hook says:
McGettrick and his clonies yell FIRE in a crowded theatre, and we ALL go running. That is until we realize that it was just a scare. Did you know that McGettrick tried to sell housing on GBX in exchange for his delivering community support?(there were several witnesses). Why did he think housing was ok and industry wasn't? And while you may think it's about caring for your community, it's not. It's about people in public housing that have different needs. Ain't no one here trying to stop what's going on over there (the back), so people over there should stop trying to change what's going on over here. Live and let live! The EPA said it was a completely safe and accepted process. To think that the EPA who's here to clean the canal, will instead pollute the bay, defies logic. The project will bring economic development and economic development comes from private business. (the last thing we want is more government controlled land!)

This good for the Red Hook Houses.
May 7, 2013, 9:42 am
Ughhh from Red Hook says:
You seem to represent the interests of GBX (Quadrozzi ) and there attempt at a land grab. Fact is we all know the CDF is not going to happen. Stop with your back and front bull. If you attended any of the EPA meetings you'd know that most residents(back and front) are against the CDF proposal. A CDF next to parks ,pools, housing ,and in a flood zone is not a good idea. Are you willing to leverage a few temporary jobs over our kids health. Do you know how many children use the ball fields ? Abstract ever changing promises from some connected concrete guy ain't gonna cut it. We all know where that leads. Most residents of the Red Hook houses would actually like to see Quadrozzi get rid of his concrete plant as well. All the concrete dust and trucks etc. We have an unimaginable Asthma rate here. Lets make the Houses a healthy safe environment. What happens if we get another flood while this crap is being processed in Red Hook . Where do you think this toxic filth will wind up ?
May 7, 2013, 1:21 pm
I'm from from Red Hook says:
For those of you who didn't hear yet, THE EMERGENCY IS OVER, FALSE ALARM!

You can go BACK home now(to the back).

The EPA isn't dumping contaminated material as we were lead to believe. Doesn't matter if we have a storm, or where it goes, as it's clean enough to make housing or a park! The scare is over, spread the word.

And we want very much for business to get it to create more business.
May 7, 2013, 3:43 pm
enemy of the people or not from Red Hook says:
Great play, opened my eyes! Also met Quadrossi and his wife Cio, very nice people.

I think people have been mislead by the no toxic thing and are calling the wrong people the enemy.

Much applause...encore!
May 7, 2013, 4:04 pm
Ibsen flowers from Red Hook says:
Thought you Ibsen fans would be a bit more savy. The timing makes me sick to my stomach . Fact is no one is the enemy . At least we all know that Reggie Flowers is clearly in the pocket of Quadrozzi . Guess we all have a price.
May 7, 2013, 5:27 pm
info from Red Hook says:
The EPA is saving $37m for the tax payer/consumer by doing the CDF on GBX property. They aren't "giving" anything away, while GBX on the other hand is, as others charge big bucks to take material in, and GBX isn't, and on top of that they want to make a waterfront park with a portion of it. Pretty cool of them. Who does anything like that? Glad the houses are supporting this. It will be good like Fairway and Ikea.
May 7, 2013, 5:31 pm
Dumb from Red Hook says:
Give it up . You sound like a broken record . We all know that nobody really wants this crap in Red Hook . Do you work for Quadrozzi ? We have a giant park right in front of my apartment . Are you a shut in? as a matter of fact Quadrozzi tried to block our views of the Henry st basin by putting up a giant fence But was ordered by the courts to take it down. Give it a rest .
May 7, 2013, 5:47 pm
OMG not from Red Hook says:
Wow, this story was some good reading. Glad to see so many have come around to supporting this. We wanted it up the canal because cleaning and productive reuse is the way to go. Glad that the Red Hook Houses Community Action Coalition have come around to supporting it and that it's not getting put into the waste stream.
May 7, 2013, 5:59 pm
read and learn more from Brooklyn says:
Spelled out on www.gowanusbayterminal.com great vision for the waterfront.
May 7, 2013, 6:09 pm
Not paid off from Red Hook says:
It's over .
May 7, 2013, 6:34 pm
Chris Fahey from Red Hook says:
"Sludge Hook"?!?!

How about "Sludge Slope"? Or "Sludge Gardens"? Or "Sludge Heights"?

The very words of this article reflect why this story is so wrong, so mean-spirited. The editors of the Brooklyn Paper seem to have no problem parroting the absurd notion that Red Hookers actually *want* to be known as residents of a land of sludge.

We do not.

We will no longer let NYC think of us, without even a second's thought, as people who love to live in a neighborhood of trash, sludge, and debris. No more.

We demand that the Brooklyn Papers not just correct this factually inaccurate article, but that they recant the flippant, uncaring tone that so easily characterizes ten thousand people as garbage lovers.
May 7, 2013, 9:01 pm
Chris Fahey from Red Hook says:
Someone above asked "what's bad?" about the CDF.

What's bad is that the whole city will continue to think of us as sludge-loving trash dwellers. Just as the Brooklyn Papers writer did without batting an eyelash. I can picture her now thinking how obvious it is that when you want to dump stuff somewhere, obviously you dump it in Red Hook.

Screw that.
May 7, 2013, 9:08 pm
Fugoutaheah! from Red Hook says:
What did Quadrozzi's dad do? You ask...

He pled guilty to paying dues to the Luchese crime family. To the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. What an achievement! How about having the Vario crew forcing Quadrozzi cement on businesses. Don't believe it... it's all documented.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/23/nyregion/mob-allegation-clouds-new-york-concrete-deal.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=5nAt6N8iQnYC&lpg=PA488&ots=FNHDos1yBN&dq=Lucchese%20quadrozzi&pg=PA488#v=onepage&q=Lucchese%20quadrozzi&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lucchese_crime_family_mobsters#Frank_Manzo
May 7, 2013, 9:57 pm
I'm from Red Hook says:
Sorry you guy's missed it, read above, false alarm, you can stop running. It's actually good to clean and reuse. We call it recycling. What would make Red Hook look better is it being more civil. What makes people look down at us is the way some of us behave everytime something progressive comes our way.

Give a break to a business giving back to its community. Stop showing your mean side.

Still good for the houses.
May 7, 2013, 11:10 pm
Got a grip from Red Hook says:
Stop tring to quiet the media Fahey. You have the Revue, it's more your style anyway.
May 7, 2013, 11:17 pm
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
Even if the CDF is safe, can somebody state clearly what the public benefits are? How many jobs? For how long? At what rate of pay? With what benefits? The only thing the EPA said is that having the dewatering facility close by will save $37 mil from the clean-up costs. But this savings isn't a public benefit either - it's savings for the polluters who have to pay for all of this anyway. So instead of the back-biting, name calling and bad faith gestures all around - can somebody, anybody clearly state WHAT IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT AT STAKE HERE?
May 7, 2013, 11:35 pm
to the Red Hook Park BS'er from REd Hook I says:


Sounds like the west end after hours club is getting in for the night. They'll quiet down once they start sobering up...a little detoxing is all they need
May 7, 2013, 11:38 pm
read and learn more from Brooklyn says:
to MC from CG, there's a lot to be considered which can't be spelled out in a comment, the most comprehensive info is at http://www.gowanusbayterminal.com/theprojects/fulfillingagreenfuture.html Open the two PDF files and it's all there, a great vision.

The EPA is saving $37m for the tax payer/consumer because the polluters pass their cost along to us, sad but true. We'll also be reducing the tons of carbon that will go into the air and the thousands of gallons of fossil fuel they'll consume by eliminating the long haul.
May 8, 2013, 12:07 am
Fugoutaheah! from Red Hook says:
If Quadrozzi wanted to make a profit off of toxic waste why did he dump it in the river in the river in the first place?

He's getting creative now because he has fines to pay. This has no benefit for the community. So he has a plan that will save the EPA some loot and make him some profit. Great, now where does the community fit in? Jobs, really?! Is he going to hire all those workers right from the houses, total BS. That concrete company has been corrupt since it's inception. Do a little research. That's all it takes.
May 8, 2013, 12:54 am
to the Red Hook Park BS'er from REd Hook I says:
Easy Fugoutaheah!, if he's a bad as you say, your gonna get yours! I think they can trace these comments............yikes!.........(this is me running)......

Who's not corrupt, you, Fairway with their chickens, Ikea with their horse meat, who?

Go sleep if off
May 8, 2013, 1:25 am
Fugoutaheah! from Red Hook says:
Oh please, I didn't make it up. It's well documented. Google it folks. There are books on this information not to mention decades of news articles about the history of this company.
May 8, 2013, 1:21 pm
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
Thanks, "read and learn" for posting the link.

It's not really complicated. There are NO direct public benefits associated with GBX's proposed CDF. There are only slick images, lots of talk about other people's projects (like the greenway initiative and waterfront museum), and vague suggestions of jobs and environmental benefits with no public benefits outlined. NO PUBLIC BENEFITS, but certainly lots of opportunities for private ones. Why should the public support something like this? Really? Did you think we were that ignorant?

Quadrozzi seems to be really good at making enemies wherever he goes. Not very adept at making friends. And his money can only buy so much support. He's no Bloomberg.
May 8, 2013, 2:31 pm
read and learn more from Brooklyn says:
back to MC from CG, there are those that look at an empty lot and only see weeds, and there are those that see much more. Creation starts with vision and vision starts by opening your eyes and mind.
May 8, 2013, 3:02 pm
Mike Curatore is Greg O'Connell, Jr.! says:
humm
May 8, 2013, 4:16 pm
hook from Red Hook says:
Gregory O'Connell Jr., Principal at The O'Connell Organization says:
May 7, 2013 at 10:30 pm
. Ever-changing promises in this “plan” and the history of this private landowner’s conduct, along with recent attempts to sway public opinion for private gain have been very real examples of manipulation in a community which is already divided in many ways. This needs to be reported and I am glad that a local paper focuses on the issues that affect us rather than a hot dog eating competition or a celebrity moving to the area. To utilize this current division in Red Hook in order to obtain more wealth and land is detestable and should not be good enough for anyone living, working or visiting this neighborhood. There is no real plan to benefit anyone here substantially and I believe that has been presented by the Red Hook Star Revue and by GBX’s conduct associated with this “community effort”. If this was done through the proper channels and the community was actually meant to be a benefactor then this would’ve been presented long ago. Rather than focusing on toxicity the main focus should have been on private land gain and what can be the most beneficial use to residents (both of the Houses and the “Back”), businesses (both large and small, retail and non retail), their employees (local or not), and their customers (local or not). In an effectual land-grab like this the community needs to have a say in what happens rather than being presented with sugar-coated promises with no real outline (in writing and affirmed by some sort of regulatory entity) that can give this neighborhood and visitors just as much, if not more than it is giving the private landowner and those who were “convinced” that this was good enough for everyone in Red Hook. It should be insulting to everyone that this was not the case and if anyone believes that this was done in a pro-active, reasonable, non-divisive manner then you need to look at what can be done but has not been done, whether it be intentionally or un-intentionally by GBX and their team. I believe that this was intentional based on the intelligence and political savvy of the landowner’s point person and certainly not the landowner himself. The community should’ve dictated this “plan” and not guided by GBX and their paid or incentivized associates’ ideas of what would be acceptable. This should have and could have been negotiated through the CAG, Community Board, and local elected officials along with community representatives because this is not a purchase or variance, it is a giveaway of epic proportions. 450,000 square feet without any solidified community proposed use structure is in effect a pure gain and no person or business is deserving of this without a concerted effort to properly contribute to their surroundings by recognizing and actively attempting to address the needs of this neighborhood. 60 jobs that may or may not go to Red Hook residents that may or may not be for 5 or 6 years is not equivalent to a gain that if rented for parking (at the very least) would be worth $2.7 million per year if leased – for what reasons other than greed and self gain? None of this “plan” has been meant to substantially address unemployment, health, affordable housing, household income, crime, education or any other issues that plague this community. This is not a race issue. This is not a gentrification issue. This is not a socioeconomic issue. This is an issue that is parasitic, feeding off of very impactful problems that are prevalent here. This clear effort to mislead and use Red Hook stakeholders against one another sickens me and should sicken members of this community including but not limited to the Red Hook houses residents, Van Brunt St. retail , industrial tenants in our buildings, long term Red Hook residents that have been here their entire lives and short term Red Hook residents that sublet a railroad on Dikeman. This is another example of bypassing procedure for personal gain but I wish it hadn’t been done so in such an untactful, serpentine manner. Involve this community and its entire unique, beautiful, engaging population in a structured plan which addresses its needs and brings substantial benefits that can be regulated by some sort of authority rather than utilizing Red Hook’s weaknesses against it in order to gain income for one individual and company.
May 8, 2013, 9:49 pm
hook knows the truth from Red Hook says:
does any one really care what the seed of a crooked cop has to say? Come on George & Kimberly he paid off rat politicians until they didn't serve his purpose and now he is doing the same to you. Get off it, copy and paste from your paper fb page, weak and small minded!!!
May 9, 2013, 9:55 pm
in other news from Red Hook says:
Lets go way back to when a another plan was introduced to Red Hook..

NY Times -"Red Hook Catches the Wave"

"O'Connell also took his time making good on his end of the Beard Street deal. In 1997, he was fined $56,000 for environmental violations, including the discharge of raw sewage into New York Harbor."

explain that to us George & Kimberly...
May 9, 2013, 10:26 pm
Goons from Red Hook says:

Angel Falls

Looking Back at the Quixotic Brooklyn Councilmember

Comments (0) By Ruth M. Ford Tuesday, Apr 16 2002


Federal prosecutors allege in a 15-count indictment that City Councilman Angel Rodriguez and a longtime friend, Jonathan Morales, attempted to extort $1.5 million in land, and $50,000 in cash, from a Red Hook developer, Greg O'Connell, a former police detective, in exchange for Rodriguez's support for a Fairway supermarket...

Wow looks like daddy was paying somebody off... too bad Quadrozzi's dad didn't wear a wire his circumstance would of been a lot different. O well, you win some you loose some.
May 9, 2013, 10:31 pm
George Fiala from Red Hook says:
If we ever post something, we use our real names, just as we do in our paper. Just for clarification.
May 9, 2013, 10:43 pm
hook knows the truth from Red Hook says:
Rodriguez vs O'Connell; was it extortion or was one guy keeping his end of the deal while the other set him up to get out of paying up? Interesting how the councilman didn't get arrested till right after O'Connell's deal was approved. Sounds like he had help in baking this cake so he could eat it too. Got to give him credit for being smarter than Angel, but not straighter~

George & Kimberly, doesn't O'Connell regularly run a half page full color add in the Red Hook Star Revue? got to take care of those paying customers!
May 10, 2013, 1:37 am
John Quadrozzi, Jr. from GBX says:
In which a community that I have for years waited on the opportunity to embrace, in a plan that would address all the interests, Industrial, Commercial, Maritime, Historical, Cultural, Parks & Recreation, Waterfront Access, Nature, Sustainability, Resiliency, East, West, North, South, Black, White Spanish, etc (but not residential!), I am comfortable to say I am disgusted and proud. Disgusted at the extent which the opposition would go, with falsities, their level of insensitivity and callousness, their manipulation of the media, the media which bought into them, and the alleged industrial advocate that has now shown his true colors as well as allowed his own son to become his shield and spear chucker. And proud to have maintained a strong relationship with leaders of the Red Hook Houses, two activists providing transformative theatre, and the same friends that have stood up time and time again against the adversaries in fighting for industry for the sake of providing the less fortunate with a job, I applaud you.

No matter what the outcome, may the Red Hook Houses take stake in their community, be united, and always aware of the residential forces that seek an alliance with them while working underhandedly to take away their homes - the only ones with a right to determine the direction of public housing are its residents. How dare anyone say different, how dare they - and for anyone inclined, be big enough to show your face.
May 10, 2013, 8:41 am
Greg from Red Hook says:
No idea who copied and pasted my comment but it is my opinion based on the information presented from many sources and I am not speaking for anyone else. There's no need to dignify any accusation or speculation associated with my family or our business because our work speaks for itself both in terms of real estate and community involvement within Red Hook.
May 13, 2013, 1:24 pm
in other news from Red Hook says:
you left out "...O'Connell Jr., Principal at The O'Connell Organization says:"

Sounds more like your speaking on behalf of the O'Connell empire... Prince Greg II.

Looks like GBX has more to go after now than just a broke ass newspaper. Genius Jr! Now let's see, using Greg's estimate at a loss of $2.7m per year...
May 13, 2013, 7:29 pm
Goons from Red Hook says:
What's the matter champ can't handle people talking about your family's impeccable reputation? There's no speculation son, your father is an environmental polluter. DEC records show violation for $56,000.00 FOR DUMPING RAW SEWAGE into the harbor (considering that was back in 1997 that should be well over $100,000 today).

Wonder who posted your precious comment? Wait Ask George and Kimberly, I'm sure they know. They seem to know everything about Red Hook.
May 13, 2013, 7:36 pm
Greg from Red Hook says:
It's Hispanic not Spanish John. Good to see that Phaedra didn't write that comment. You, myself, and anyone with a brain or without a price know what you are doing and this facade is pathetic. What have you done for industry in Brooklyn John? How many people are now under your employ? How many tenants do you bring to the equation and how many employees do they have? How many Red Hook individuals are employed by you and your tenants? How much have you contributed to local organizations over the years? Why have you left the Grain Terminal empty and unutilized? What exactly have you done for industry and Red Hook? You can all come after me and I welcome it. I do things correctly and without ignorance or anonymity. Every single property along the Red Hook waterfront built in the Civil War Era had plumbing leading to the harbor. After filing and going through years of waiting for permits we were days from completing updated infrastructure when a choice Red Hook individual came, took photos and reported the inherited mess to another government agency. Fighting this would have incurred legal fees greater than that of paying a fine. There's that explanation - next time you have an issue come see me and we'll settle it one way or another.
May 14, 2013, 1:37 pm
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
Congratulations, Red Hook. The proposed CDF has succeeded in upending and polarizing the community to the extreme. Quadrozzi's efforts to pay-off Red Hook Houses (thanks to the strategic input of Phaedra Thomas) and provide "art space" to the newest self-appointed, self-important area egotist - Reg Flowers - will in the end prove to be for nothing. EPA said the CDF wasn't moving ahead without support from the community. Clearly the community is not behind this proposal and the CDF isn't going to happen. So, what did you accomplish, guys? You should all be run out of town on a rail. For shame that such egos and bad strategies have plunged the area back into divisiveness, ignorance and open hostility.
May 14, 2013, 6:03 pm
George Fiala from Red Hook says:
Dear Mike,

Our front page story details the situtation. you describe: www.redhookstar.com
May 14, 2013, 9:23 pm
Latino not Hispanic from Red Hook says:
Greg needs a lot of attention. That's why he spends all his time preaching to BP & FB -hmmm, so how many Red Hook residents actually work at Fairway? 300 jobs promised to the Red Hook residents but only 5 work there. SMH.

Mike Curatore is a paid mouth piece.

And George Fiala well he's just a donkey.
May 15, 2013, 4:59 pm

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