F yeah! MTA considering express train

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The much-demanded F express is now part of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s train of thought.

The MTA revealed it is considering implementing express service on the F line that would race between Downtown and Coney Island — appeasing residents across the borough who say faster trains could get the overburdened line back on track.

When the long-overdue renovation of the Culver Viaduct finally wraps up in a few weeks, the agency will study the line and determine whether express service is viable, an MTA official told councilmembers on Tuesday.

The train, which would run toward Manhattan in mornings and toward Coney Island in evenings — like Brooklyn’s answer to the 7 train in Queens — would harken a return of a speedy service that used to stop at Jay Street–MetroTech, Seventh Avenue–Ninth Street, Church Avenue, 18th Avenue, and Kings Highway until the 1980s.

Proponents of an express F train can’t wait to hop on board.

“For the people who live in Bensonhurst and Gravesend and Coney Island, it could shave a half an hour off the commute,” said Todd Dobrin, a former member of Community Board 13 who is running for city council. “The signals are in place and there’s nothing holding it back.”

Carroll Gardens commuter Gary Reilly, who promoted the idea of an express train in an online petition and blog, said it’s about time the MTA gets moving on the proposition.

“As Brooklyn continues to grow, the Culver line ought to have restored express-local service,” said Reilly. “Logistically it is possible. It’s just a matter of finding a little bit of political will, and a relatively small amount of money.”

But, Reilly said, the MTA needs to do it right to make sure that commuters in Brownstone Brooklyn don’t get stuck on the platform as express trains race through their stations.

“The key is that there must be an overall increase in the service levels so that the current local stops don’t suffer a reduction in service,” he said.

This isn’t the first time the agency has said it would consider adding an F express train after work on the viaduct wraps up. But that $257.5-million project has taken longer, and cost more, than expected.

Commuters recently got a taste of the high-speed service when construction work turned all Manhattan-bound F trains into express trains on weekends.

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Updated 10:08 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Larry Littlefield from Windsor Terrace says:
“The key is that there must be an overall increase in the service levels so that the current local stops don’t suffer a reduction in service,” he said.

That isn't happening, and can't happen. There is not enough train cars for any more trains, nor enough room on the 6th Avenue line (now that the M is there) for many more trains.

Basically, those stops that didn't have the G will get about the same service from the G and local F that they used to get from the F (13 to 14 trains per hour). To get those further out a faster ride. Some will have the option to walk father to an express stop.

It could be described as fair. I hope that the man from Carroll Gardens really meant to be altruistic, because you don't see very much of that in NY parochial politics. In fact it was parochial politics -- the former head of the City Council lived in Windsor Terrace -- that got the F express eliminated to begin with.
March 6, 2013, 9:28 am
diehipster from stay above the line hipsters says:
I am absolutely against this. This will only attract exploring hipster 'pioneers' to a pure, untouched part of Brooklyn filled with real immigrant culture and/or old time Brooklyn residents. Who cares if it saves you half an hour? We've been fine for years. This aspect of it is appealing to lazy, infinite leisure time gentrifiers.

F this F train proposal. Stay above the line in the Land of Whimsy and organic kale you friggin hayseeds on playcation!
March 6, 2013, 9:30 am
ty from pps says:
"This aspect of it is appealing to lazy, infinite leisure time gentrifiers." Umm... what? I guess an extra hour (i.e., 5 hours per week) to spend with your family, friends, do person errands, etc. Yeah, I can't imagine that would be attractive to "real immigrant culture and/or old time Brooklyn residents" -- oh, no. You pride yourself on misery.
March 6, 2013, 9:58 am
Gary Reilly from Carroll Gardens says:
Larry, if you're reading the comments, shoot me an email at

March 6, 2013, 10:31 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Mr. Hipster, would it not be better to remove police patrols from those areas of Brooklyn to keep the educated people out? Crime is as effective as poor transportation to make an area undesirable, perhaps moreso. And as ty rightly points out, getting to spend more time with your family is something anyone can like.
March 6, 2013, 10:42 am
Bob from South Slope says:
When the G was extended to Church Avenue, I told the scoffing Editor of the Brooklyn Papers that it would only be a matter of time before the F ran express through Windsor Terrace and the South Slope as it did in bygone years. Do we really need to take the G to catch the F?

Obviously the MTa and our local politicians think this is progress... or maybe we'll get a discount for this proposed cut in service... Yeah, sure.
March 6, 2013, 10:48 am
common sense from bay ridge says:
I guess diehipster really enjoys that extra half hour a day he gets to spend with hipsters on the F train. The rest of us just want to get to and from work as quickly as possible.

Bring back the F express please.
March 6, 2013, 11:07 am
diehipster from Pure Brooklyn says:
Wow Mike from Bushpointburg - spoken like a true clueless hipster yuppie transplant who has never been south of Prospect Park. So people in southern Brooklyn aren't educated? You mean the people from flyover land that came to Nieuw Breuckelen with 'liberal arts' degrees are educated? Like the ones that kayak the Gowanus canal? The ones that eat local radishes grown in toxic vacant lots in Bushwick? The ones that pay $6 for a baguette and $4 for coffee?

If I weigh it out, I'd rather rather keep police forces and not attract 'artists' and 'urban farmers' with better train service.
March 6, 2013, 11:35 am
ty from pps says:
I agree, diehipster. We should surround "Pure Brooklyn," as you describe it, with a big fence/wall. The trains and buses can be severed at that point and operate separately. Just like they did with the U-Bahn in Berlin.

The city can maintain an express line to Coney Island for baseball games and the boardwalk, but the trains will just pass through 'ghost stations' within the "Pure Brooklyn" zone and no passengers will be allowed to disembark.
March 6, 2013, 12:16 pm
Steve from Boerum Hill says:
F Express used to stop at Bergen Street too. Bergen Street can now be restored for express service and should be.
March 6, 2013, 12:17 pm
manhatposeur from brokeland says:
Wow. Diehipster is willing to make life more miserable for the local white people who work in the city. An exspress F helps the people get to work faster.
March 6, 2013, 12:22 pm
kevd from Flatbush says:
Bob - the idea isn't to eliminate the F local - but to divert some of those F cars to also have an F express.
It would mean somewhat reduced F local service in order to accomodate express F service.

An express F could actually run both ways between Jay and Church, and only needs to be Peak direction only south of Church, where the line goes from 4 to 3 tracks.
March 6, 2013, 12:25 pm
kevd from Flatbush says:
Hey diehipster,

Where is that line that separates Pure Brooklyn from the kale-eating, liberal-arts-degree-holding "artists" and "urban farmers" in Bushpointburg, Cobble Gardens and Windsington Slope?
Oh, they're in FortClintonStuy and Prospect/Crown Heights now too.
March 6, 2013, 12:29 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I disagree with diehipster and believe that extending express service is a good idea but we must be real and admit that there is no money for such a service to be extended. If the city hadn't spent so much money on bike lanes it might have the resources to fund additional subway service or build another line for more F trains under 6th Avenue but that's what has happened. You can't have it both ways and expect expensive bike lanes and more train service since both are competing for the same money. You should have thought about that first but that's what you get for siding with bike lanes when you didn't get congestion pricing.
March 6, 2013, 1:15 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Yes, Mr. Hipster, I am using "educated" the same way you are--the people who pursued higher education. With more and more people going to college, of course you're seeing less and less of the Brooklyn you love.
March 6, 2013, 2:48 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, enough with the impersonation, because I find it to be unprofessional. Although the F express for the stretch that is being discussed at first may see like a good idea, it may hurt those that aren't served by it at all. Keep in mind that the G currently does not run past Church Avenue. If you have to have the express for the F, then the G should be extended to run where the F won't stop at. Another idea is to do what the 7 is doing in Queens by having one line for the express and the other for the local, so that normal riders for that line won't feel hindered by this, though extending the G further down would help as well. However, there is still the funding for this, and studies have found that riders don't cover the majority of mass transit, it's actually the motorists who paying the bridge and tunnel tolls where the MTA makes the biggest profits, so a thanks should be given to me for helping to keep your fares so low where even the latest hikes are still peanuts compared how much tolls are going up.
March 6, 2013, 4:05 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal... Would you mind re-writing your last comment so it wasn't a rambling mess? You might actually have something important to say, but it was lost in your lack of focus.

And you can leave out your "studies have shown" part because we all know those are things you invent.... and keep repeating, even though many people have corrected you.
March 6, 2013, 4:15 pm
ty from pps says:
Also, Tal.... Could you please show us the details of the MTA budget that support your claims? You repeat this over and over, so you must have it handy.

Motorist pay tolls for bridges and tunnels. Yes. That is true. How much does it cost to operate and maintain the bridges and tunnels? How much "profit" is there after those costs are subtracted from the toll revenues?

These are simple questions, Tal. And answers are REQUIRED if you want to keep making these ignorant claims over and over and over again. There are many more questions that need answers before I will classify your claims as not ignorant, but answers to the above questions are the ABSOLUTE minimum.

And the answer is not "I read it in the letters submitted to the Daily News." No, the answers will be in the following form...

* Sally collected $23 selling lemonade.
* Sally's lemonade stand and the supplies to make her lemonade cost $20.
* Sally made a profit of $3

Here, I'll help you... just fill in the blanks.

* The MTA collects $___ in tolls from the bridges and tunnels.
* The MTA spends $___ to operate and maintain the bridges and tunnels.
* The surplus/loss is $___.
March 6, 2013, 4:27 pm
someguy from someplace says:
After reading the article and some user comments, it comes down to increasing the number of trains running on the entire F line. As kevd mentioned, it is a matter of setting aside a set number of trains to run express and bypassing 8 stops.

I don't think the configuration of the F running express and G local will work, because that would mean increasing G service to compensate, plus an additional $5-7 million minimum to rehabilitate Bergen Street lower level.

Also, I wanted to add a little "food-for-thought," as they say, to some earlier comments...

About the City directing money to build bike lanes rather than increased subway service...I would personally say that is actually money to good use, since it's the NYCDOT, a city agency, that utilizes the money. (Plus, it promotes green alternatives, etc...) If the City were to redirect that money to the MTA, a State agency, they would probably get it in the form of a subsidy and by looking at the MTA 2013 Adopted Budget, that's 7% of their incoming revenue.

Plus, most of the MTA's revenue source comes from Farebox Revenue and Dedicated Taxes, which account for 41% and 35% of the total monies received. Not MTA tolls, despite how high they are, it's only 12%. And nearly half of all revenue goes back into the Transit system in the form of maintenance and the Capital Plan, 53% to be exact.

Plus, plus, I highly doubt the MTA is making any profits, when it costs them $2.5 billion alone to run the subways and buses.

Plus (x3), the plan forecasts another fare hike for 03/01/15. Time to bike it or hitchhike it!

Source: MTA 2013 Adopted Budget – February Financial Plan 2013-2016
March 6, 2013, 5:35 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
If you don't believe what I have mentioned where the MTA gets the bulk of their money, then I suggest you click this link that is being shown, which is where I got it from.
March 6, 2013, 5:40 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Did you answer the simple questions? Or did you post the link to an Op-Ed column from an already questionable news source?


* The MTA collects $___ in tolls from the bridges and tunnels.
* The MTA spends $___ to operate and maintain the bridges and tunnels.
* The surplus/loss is $___.
March 6, 2013, 6:21 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Tal... it just took me 30 secs to find the answer. And it wasn't the NY Post or Daily News or Streetsblog or or whatever... it is the actual budget information. It's not a secret.
March 6, 2013, 6:37 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Perhaps, the MTA would have more revenue from their own riders if not for the fare beaters that they are now cracking down.
March 6, 2013, 6:44 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Did you really just post that?! You think that's an intelligent contribution? This is the level you're at? Uggh.
March 6, 2013, 6:48 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Did you really just post that?! You think that's an intelligent contribution? This is the level you're at? Uggh.
March 6, 2013, 6:50 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Did you really just post that?! You think that's an intelligent contribution? This is the level you're at? Uggh.
March 6, 2013, 6:50 pm
ty from pps says:
OK, Tal... from the same source as the budget figures I found. I know you can find it and answer those VERY simple questions, so I won't ruin the fun.

2012 MTA Ridership and Traffic:
Mass Transit: 2.60 billion
Bridges and Tunnels: 0.28 billion

Can you POSSIBLY imagine if the mass transit number was significantly different? Do you possibly think you would ever be able to drive your fat a*s from Pleasantville into the city if there were only, say, 1.60 billion trips on mass transit?! Traffic would be at a complete standstill 24-hours a day and the city's economy would be collapsing around our ears...

So, yeah... the tolls paid for bridges and tunnels absolutely do subsidize *some* of the costs for mass transit. That's how a system works!
March 6, 2013, 7 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way -- $50 million in lost fares due to "fare beaters" is 0.9% of the farebox revenue.

How much $$ do you think it would cost to prevent all losses like this? OK, maybe not all... How much $$ do you think it would cost to make sure 1/2 of that wasn't lost?

I guess your right... Perhaps, the MTA would have more revenue from their own DRIVERS if not for the TOLL EVASION that they are now cracking down.
March 6, 2013, 7:11 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, the MTA isn't just NYC itself, but also all of downstate NY. Since 1965, they have become a state agency, especially because the city couldn't afford them anymore. Since this is also involving my tax dollars as well, I do get to have a say in this. BTW, it's a lot harder to go through the tolls without paying compared to using the subways and buses. Bridges such as the Verrazano Narrows and Tappan Zee Bridges have among the highest in tolls. Ironically, a lot of you want the best transit system, but you don't want to pay for it directly. On a side note, attack Nichole Gelinas for that article, not me, because I am only the messenger for that.
March 6, 2013, 7:34 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Where did I say you didn't have a say?!?

I only said you have to support your ignorant statements with actual facts and rational thought.

You haven't answered ANY of the simple, basic questions. And you haven't answered my more recent questions about what traffic would be like IN THE ENTIRE REGION if mass transit ridership shifted significantly. All Mass Transit... Subways, Buses, MetroNorth, LIRR, etc.

What do you think your precious roads would look like if 1/2 of the MetroNorth riders decided to drive?!
March 6, 2013, 7:52 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
For the record, I do more than just spend my day on message boards. As a matter of fact, just months ago, I went to an MTA hearing over at Baruch College in Manhattan. The audience there was very happy especially when I mentioned fare beaters in how much they are really hurting the system. Apparently, they didn't see me as being ignorant compared to how you and others that I never see in person. What's interesting is that I didn't see you there at all, and you probably didn't attend any of the others either. That shows that I do go out into the real world. The subways may run all day, but the commuter rails don't. I know that both Metro-North and LIRRs don't run late nights, so if someone is working at that time, they are better off driving if they want to get home sooner, also around the last hour or so, they only run once every hour, making driving more of a choice. Overall, commuter trains or even special express buses in that matter only work if one's work schedule is compatible with it, otherwise their commute will be much longer if they don't drive. Try looking for the causes rather than effects of why some choose to drive instead.
March 6, 2013, 8:17 pm
ty from pps says:

You are complaining that the tolls from bridges and tunnels subsidize the Mass Transit system. What the f*ck does that have to do with MetroNorth not running at 2:00am??!
March 6, 2013, 8:39 pm
bkdude says:
I hate that rickety f line. How about we completely remove it from stillwell av to church avenue and replace it with a light- rail? Good idea?
March 6, 2013, 11:12 pm
bkdude says:
what do you think diehipster?
March 6, 2013, 11:13 pm
bkdude says:
scratch that. its most probably not even wide enough for one
March 6, 2013, 11:16 pm
bkdude says:
this website can use a nice chat room
March 6, 2013, 11:56 pm
bkdude says:
tal, ty,diehipster. we can all chat in real time
March 6, 2013, 11:57 pm
björk from Procoaca says:
Enough about the F train. I want to know how diehipster feels about hipsters.
March 7, 2013, 8:42 am
scott from park slope says:
An F express would likely mainly benefit the people who live further away from the city already, in the form of more time with their families not spent on slower trains. It's hard to imagine it leading to any major demographic shifts because there's much more to why a person would want to live in a given neighborhood than how long a subway ride takes.
March 7, 2013, 8:46 am
manposeur from brokeland says:
Tal is a fat ass who needs to get on a bike.
March 7, 2013, 9:03 am
Tony from Cobble Hill says:
If this happens, an F express would only serve Church, 7th, Bergen Lower, then Jay St.
The G at only 4 cars does not have the capacity to handle the crowds at any bypassed stations (Carroll, Smith 9th,, 4th Ave, 15th St, FHP).
The first thing is to make the G a full length train of 8 or 10 cars.
March 7, 2013, 9:50 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
According to a recent article in the Daily News, the express service for the F is not likely to happen.
March 7, 2013, 5:21 pm
JAY from NYC says:
If the mta does this, it will take 15 years longer than they predicted, and cost 5 billion more than they estimated. I would like an f express train option since I live off this line, and I would like to see more trains at rush hour as teh train is jammed packed and miserable, but I doubt any of us will actually live to see it.
I read an interesting fact that the mta can only run around 26 trains an hour while in friggin Russia, they can run 40 trains an hour on the Moscow subway. Anyone see an issue with the MTA performing WORSE that freakin Russia?!!!???
Why are we settling for this crap performance from the MTA? Is it because bigot Tal "gets a say" is what makes the MTA is so horrible?
Hmmm might be on to something at that.
March 7, 2013, 7:11 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, I will call you for slander on that. I have no control with the MTA whatsoever. As for that article that I linked about the F express, I am just the messenger. I suggest writing to them if you have any beef with that. Just shouting and whining on a faceless message board isn't going to change anything. The MTA needs to be reformed and restructured, but I don't think that privatizing will help at all. As a matter of fact, if it does get privatized, whoever ends up running it may end up having lesser stops, because they will claim that some stops are not worth keeping due to low ridership at some of them and it would be a waste of money to still have them.
March 7, 2013, 8:54 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
more service is good -= just stop the bs with stats from ohio - who can tell me the difererenvr btwn rr/r dd/d qb/qr - some idiot who said he was a subway custodial historian said they never existed - hipster wants to rent = double it
March 7, 2013, 9:01 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal, I will call you for slander on THAT!
March 7, 2013, 9:18 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal first I think you need to look at a dictionary, Slander is an oral utterance, and does not apply to printed words.
The word you maybe possibly meant to use, after INCORRECTLY using "slander" would be libel, which is what applies to written words.
Second, in your own words, you did say, if you scroll up to your post yesterday at 7:34 pm ,and I quote, you,
"Since this is also involving my tax dollars as well, I do get to have a say in this."
Please explain how me, referring to YOUR own words, that YOU yourself posted is libel Tal?
YOU YOURSELF stated I get a say.
So, no, there clearly is no libel here Tal, and I really don't even understand where you could come up with such a statement.
Since we are on the subject of libel Tal, you called the group that came to Brooklyn College Neo Nazis, and I have asked you over and over where is the proof of that or to admit that you made it up.
March 7, 2013, 10:05 pm
Phil from Kensington says:
From a non hipster, old guy who has lived along the F-Line for over thirty years, I say: Holy S**t, it's about time!

BTW they could run more trains during rush hour if they had the personnel and maybe the trains. No way the road is up to full capacity. They just don't want to spend more to pay more operational staff. That's my take.
March 8, 2013, 10:16 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, slander is defined as making accusations with little to no proof to backing them. Getting to this, I was talking about how coming to me when the real anger should be on the MTA itself. BTW, when the MTA had hearings months ago, it wasn't just in the city, but also in much of downstate as well. At least I had the guts to attend one of the hearings, which I chose the one at Manhattan because of my schedule. I won't argue that the MTA officials acted as if they didn't care, but not going to any of them wouldn't have helped either but be nothing more than a non-voter during an election. Still, compare the monthly ride prices to the fees that I pay for owning a car, and they are less than half of that even with the latest raises. Seriously, I am tired of those who can't give a few more dollars or even just another quarter for just the base fare, but don't mind whenever us motorists have to pay fees that almost double every year. If you asked me, it's us motorists who are really getting the royal screw job, and we are the ones that are really contributing to the MTA here just to keep your fares very low. Just be lucky that NYC is one of the few major cities in the world to have a flat fare on its subway and buses, while this isn't the case around the world. BTW, before saying how major cities in the world have better service than what NYC has, that's because they to raised the fares as well in order to get that. On a side note, I don't find privatizing any public agency or utility a good idea especially in the long run, because it will just make the prices go up even more than they are now, plus the owner can selectively choose whoever they want it in them while excluding anyone they want.
March 8, 2013, 7:15 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- You don't even know what a public library is and how it's funded... Hint: It's not by "rental fees." How do you think we're going to take your opinions about how best to fund the transportation infrastructure in and around NYC?!


And half of what you just wrote it plain gibberish. No, that's not 'slander' or 'hitting below the belt where you come from' -- No, you are writing gibberish.

"I won't argue that the MTA officials acted as if they didn't care, but not going to any of them wouldn't have helped either but be nothing more than a non-voter during an election."

That sentence only makes sense to YOU.
March 8, 2013, 7:30 pm
JAY from NYC says:
OK Tal lets pretend your definition is correct (its not), so even if your definition is correct, and using it, there was no slander, as it was your own words.
SO on the face of it, your statement is wrong and stuipd, as usual.
Since you clearly intended to use the word slander as a legal term of art, in yet another laughable attempt to try and shut people up, and since you clearly don't actually know what the word means and since you are clearly DID NOT bother to look it up in blacks law dictionary, I will explain this to you
Slander is a form of defamation, the elements of slander are that 1) its an oral utterance 2) it is a false statement 3) and made to a third person 4)which damages a person's reputation, community standing, office, trade, business, or means of livelihood.
None of that happened, so now please just stop with this nonsense.
The "definition" you put forth is what the word unsubstantiated means, which is a totally different word, but nice try and congrats on winning the stupidest person in my world for the week award.
As for your rant about the MTA, you clearly know as little about the mta as you do about the word slander.
The MTA main problem is that is is composed of a 17 member board, only 4 of whom are appointed by the mayor of nyc, and one each by the county executives of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Dutchess, Orange, Rockland, and Putnam counties, and the rest by the gov to six year terms.
It is as mostly composed by upstaters (like you TAL) who are getting the position as a political patronage job. They don't use the MTA every day, if at all, they don't live in NYC, and have little stake in making things run well, and who are almost impossible to get rid of.
It has almost zero accountability to anyone. They got caught keeping a second set of books, which in any other setting means people would go to jail, but not so with the MTA.
The Pension scam that is going on right now is so out of control that the FBI has basically given up trying to prosecute people because it requires more manpower than the FBI has. The FBI has told people if you just stop scamming now, we won't prosecute you, or make you pay back any of the money you stole, that is how out of control it is.
What bugs me Tal is you sit there and act like you are doing something, and that you are better than people because you claim you once went to a meeting. The reality is that the MTA now plans to raise fares every other year, and 1/3 of NYC lives on less than 30k a year, that is a real hardship, but even that aside, the MTA charges more, reduces service, the trains are always breaking down, and they kill on average 1 person a week because they won't install basic safety features that many of the worlds subways have had for years.
The MTA is incapable of finishing anything on time and on budget. The are the most hated agency in NYC, even more so than the IRS. So yes, Tal, tell people how tired you are, tell people to pay more for something that is ripping them off each and every single day.
If you had a clue you would understand that, but instead you type out nonsense saying "Yes pay more to this rip off plan and smile about it, because I Tal who knows all, once went to a meeting where no one cared, and that means I know everything, so let me get in my car which pays for a small part of the MTA budget and dictate to 9 million people what they should do because my name is Tal, King of all Donkeys, and dweller of Pleasntville, worship me or I will get Dov Hikind to use the government to censor you!!!! All HAIL TAL!!!"
If you can't figure it out, TAL, the above is called parody, and is not factual, and as such is NOT slander Tal. ITS MY OPINION.
March 8, 2013, 9:43 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
What some of you don't understand is that you all want the greatest system in the world, but you don't want to pay for it yourselves, you want someone else to foot the bill for you. IMHO, whoever uses the system more should be contributing more, not less. However, I feel that blaming TWU Local 100 and their pensions for the reason why the MTA is in bad shape is nothing more than looking for a scapegoat when they in fact have no say on what really goes on with the system especially when they are not on the top of the ladder. Another thing that can help the MTA is to crack down on fare beaters, and it seems that the MTA is taking this very seriously, which does make it a major issue. Unfortunately, fare hikes are inevitable, but the big difference between this system and what is mainly in Europe is that there are no fare zones on the subways and city buses, so you pay the same despite the distance where this wouldn't be the case in Europe. BTW, those that ride commuter rail lines such as Metro-North RR, LIRR, and even NJ Transit are paying based on distance while the time they come is sporadic when it's not during peak hours. As for the MTA hearings, at least I had the guts to show up there and state how I felt about the service, which is doing something rather than just staying home on those days doing nothing. Overall, even with the latest fare hikes, it's still small compared what those in Europe are paying, and I am just talking about the first fare zones for many of those major European cities. Only in DC and the SF Bay Area are there fare zones in this country. For the record, I am for transit expansion, but many have to understand that this does come with a cost, so they aren't free. On a side note, cut with the personal attacks, because I find them very unprofessional when it comes to debates, especially when it can be down without attacking the person.
March 8, 2013, 10:46 pm
scott from park slope says:
the MTA's musician program should schedule hipster zydeco bands to play at swampyankee's, diehipster's, and old time's subway stops every day from now to September 1st. and they should license hipster concessionaires to sell organic quinoa and kale chips. the gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, and wailing from the pansies who call themselves "real Brooklynites" would be epic.
March 9, 2013, 8:46 am
ty from pps says:
Tal -- We've already covered that you have NO IDEA how much it costs in Europe. Why do you keep saying these dumb things?

And that is this -- "while the time they come is sporadic when it's not during peak hours."

Do you know what sporadic means? Actually the trains come a very specific, scheduled times. Unless there is a system problem, the train will come the same time on Wednesday as it does on Tuesday. I think you mean less frequently.

Did you know that the Subway and Buses also run less frequently during off-peak hours?! Shocker!

Long story short, Tal. Go help you mom clean the kitchen.
March 9, 2013, 9:20 am
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Not a thing wrong with zydeco !!!another —— passing judgements - bring on some reggae and opera too (yeah i have been known to go the met)
March 9, 2013, 9:21 am
JAY from NYC says:
NO Tal, thats not it at all, people ARE willing to pay, they are NOT willing to be ripped off.
Its NOT the same thing, and for some reason you think the two are the same, that pretty much sums up why you don't get it.
Next, where did you see me mention the union? I did not. So that means you lied again.
I did mention the pension scam that is on-going and people are being sent to jail for, but you clearly have no clue, so why even bother, but they are stealing waaaaay more than the fare beaters that you keep prattling on about, neither of which have anything to do with the union.
You, and guts? Don't make me laugh, you sit behind a keyboard all day, avoided military service, and went to ONE meeting and you call that guts?!!!?
That is a TOTAL joke Tal a total and complete f-ing joke, and you have NO idea what having guts means. Guts means, among other things Tal placing your self on the line and taking a risk where you can personally lose something. Going to a meeting about the MTA does none of those things.
Again, I suggest that you consult a dictionary before mis-using words.
You like to talk about Europe, ok fine, please explain to me why, in France, which is waaay more unionized that New York City, the cost per mile of subway is about half of what is costs in New York?
Please Tal, explain that.
The answer is really simple and obvious but I am sure you will vomit out something stupid and pointless about how the subway is anti-Isreal neo-nazis.
Nobody says any of this is free Tal, but people ARE saying they are tired of getting ripped off and we ARE being ripped off by the MTA.
You don't use the subway every day and depend on it, so maybe that is the reason that you really have zero idea what you are talking about, as usual. Whatever the reason, you are very poorly informed.
As far as the personal attacks are concerned, YOU TAL are THE person who starts that most of the time, so really you only have yourself to blame.
You may recall that in the past I took ty to task for making personal attacks against you that I thought were inappropriate, but having said that, you bring alot of this on yourself.
You can't go around poking people in the nose and then cry and protest aggrieved status when they poke back.
You start it, expect to get dealt something back. I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that you are an adult, and you should have figured this out already at your age, but for some reason you have not, you should work on that.
Also, I still see you posting here non-stop, so clearly the alleged personal attacks are not bothering you that much, otherwise you would leave and not come back to the site, so stop already with your b.s crocodile tears.
In addition Tal you seem to be under some illusion that you are conducting debate at a higher level, and only you get it, when in reality nothing could be further from the truth.
Your comments tend to be on the level of someone who did not graduate from high school, and are less factual than a Baghdad Bob press conference.
When was the last time anyone on here agreed or was swayed by you Tal? I can't ever think of that happening. So maybe you should ask yourself what is more likely, Tal is a genius and everyone else is wrong and stupid, or Tal is wrong and does not get it?

March 9, 2013, 1:54 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
unions forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 9, 2013, 4:36 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, the big difference here is that I am NOT attacking the person, just disagreeing with the ideas. I couldn't care less if someone wanted to disagree with me, it's those that have made personal attacks such as yourself that I despise. Getting to the MTA and their system, it's unfortunate that there is no rival transit here, because the MTA won't allow for it. Here is some tough love, nobody likes the fare hikes or the increased monthly Metrocard prices, but a great system doesn't come cheap. If anyone is ripping you off, it's not the TWU, it's the MTA executives that are doing that. Also, TWU Local 100 has no say in what happens with the service cuts or fare hikes, so don't blame them just for wanting more in their pension especially when they are doing a job that you wouldn't even bother to take yourself if it was just given to you on a silver platter. Perhaps, if you do work their job, you would see why they are asking for more on it. Seriously, if you really followed the recession, then you would see that it's those at the top that actually made more while those lower, even the unions, made less in having to make sacrifices to save money, while the CEOs got even richer. Since you don't think it's special for attending any of the MTA hearings, then I guess the same thing should be said about any others. However, going to these does show that I do more than just post on a faceless message board in that I do put my money where my mouth is unlike many of you that are probably using this message board to be someone you are not, because you will probably never see me in person. As for fare beating, if that wasn't an issue then the MTA wouldn't be placing such scouts on buses where they are occurring the most, and there were even a number of letters on the Daily News addressing the very issue, so that does prove that fare beating isn't as minor as you think. I betcha if there was no fare beating, the MTA wouldn't even such problems in having deficits. Even if congestion pricing would be passed, it still wouldn't help them, especially when many motorists will be trying to avoid it as what those in London were doing, but I am glad it was defeated thanks to common sense and the people in the outer boroughs and suburbs who saw it for what it really was, which was nothing more than a regressive tax. On a side note, why should I let the attacks on me scare me off of hear especially when a real fighter like myself can actually stand up to the fight to such cowards like yourselves? I think that you guys are more afraid of me than I am of you.
March 9, 2013, 5:54 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal I am done talking to you, you are the internet version of the crazy person who stands on the corner sniffing paint and yelling, you are simply not worth the time.
March 9, 2013, 6:14 pm
JAY from NYC says:
for everyone else not named Tal, here is the text from an article on the pension scam I am talking about, just this instance alone cost you a billion dollars.

Retired electrician Gary Satin sentenced to 20 months after scamming LIRR disability pension
Satin pleaded guilty to his part in a pervasive ripoff that involved hundreds of ex-LIRR workers and drained nearly $1 billion.
By Robert Gearty / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, March 9, 2013, 1:18 AM

A retired LIRR worker was sentenced to 20 months in prison for his part in a massive scam that drained funds from the LIRR's disability pension fund.
Bryan Pace/Bryan Pace for News

A retired LIRR worker was sentenced to 20 months in prison for his part in a massive scam that drained funds from the LIRR's disability pension fund.

An LIRR fraudster got his ticket punched for prison Friday.

Retired electrician Gary Satin was sentenced to 20 months in prison after pleading guilty last year to scamming a disability pension as part of a pervasive $1 billion ripoff involving hundreds of ex-LIRR workers.


Satin, 63, of Mooresville, N.C., faced up to 30 months in prison. He was also ordered to pay $247,000 in restitution by Manhattan Federal Court Judge Victor Marrero.

Satin began collecting disability benefits after he retired in 2005 and claimed a spinal injury. Prosecutors said after Satin retired and moved to the South, he worked as an electrician, landscaper and contractor.

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March 9, 2013, 6:22 pm
catherine from park slop/gowanus says:
in the blog there is a box to report abuse...............
so let me make this clear, and yes I know the difference, Im being sarcastic, it is abusive that the MTA is wasting our money on this, it was tried once and failed and furthermore would make more sense to keep it as going and use the money that they would throw away on this to serve a good use ,such as repairing the damn subway service...............mta sucks, I will be contacting our political officals against this.
March 9, 2013, 7:48 pm
catherine from park slop/gowanus says:
hey a few years ago mta had two sets of books............who said they are not profitable? totally not true, look around in the monring and rush hour,,doesnt look unprofitable.
how about looking at how many mta workers are sleeping in their trucks, or going home for several hours, or how about 10 of them standing around when one guy is working? they should use the money to investigate whats going on in the mta and leave the f line alone.
March 9, 2013, 7:51 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, just because some members abused their disability plan, doesn't mean they are all bad. I could easily say the same thing about the MTA executives if they did it. I highly doubt that the TWU even condoned what those LIRR workers did. Please don't blame an entire group just for a few. Before you or anyone grills Roger Toussaint for what he did back in 2005 with that transit strike, please remember that it only lasted for three days, which was way shorter compared to the ones that lasted for months. BTW, their 11% pay raise isn't all at once, it's over the course of three years. Nevertheless, I do feel that the MTA executives should think about their customers more than their pet projects such as those useless blue lights that were recently on the city buses, which were completely unnecessary, and I am glad that they were removed.
March 9, 2013, 10:35 pm
JAY from NYC says:
well said kathernine
Tal, I said I am done talking to you, you are DEAD to me. The end.
March 9, 2013, 10:47 pm
gem687 from CG says:
just open smith/9th!! does anyone have an update on it april will happen? i see work moving along on the outside (a sign went up!) but the elevator bank still looks very behind.
March 11, 2013, 3:30 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
For the past few days, I have seen letters on the Daily News addressing the fare beaters. It seems that I am not alone here. As a matter of fact, I do agree with today's that claims that if the enforcement on fare beaters was enforced normally, there wouldn't even be any fare hikes. Overall, the fare beating really is serious.
March 11, 2013, 5 pm
ty from pps says:
As a matter of fact, I do agree with today's claim that Tal Barzilai is an ignorant dummy head and if his mom would monitor his internet use, we would all be better off. Overall, I am really serious.
March 11, 2013, 6:21 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I wouldn't be surprised if ty is a fare beater himself, which is why he acts in such a way whenever I mention it.
March 11, 2013, 6:35 pm
ty from pps says:


* The MTA collects $___ in tolls from the bridges and tunnels.
* The MTA spends $___ to operate and maintain the bridges and tunnels.
* The surplus/loss is $___.
March 11, 2013, 7:12 pm
Mike from Coney Island says:
It's truly amazing that when the MTA wants to bring back the F express like they had in the 70's and 80's, we now have a collision course of how to satisfy everyone on the whole F line in Brooklyn. Sorry, but that problem did not exist until the so called yuppies moved to downtown Brooklyn. The fact remains that the tracks on the F line were built many decades ago to try to even out service as best as they can. Give me a break. The poor yuppies will have to wait a few extra minutes to board a train and still travel less that one half an hour to work while the commuters south of Church Ave who live further out should be have to suffer more due to their nonsense. Sorry, but the people who live further out in Brooklyn is the sole reason for the F express. For the so called yuppies who live near stops such as Bergen, Carroll, 4th Ave, 15th St Prospect Park that feel that if will kill them to wait a minute or two more for a train, I have a solution. Move near an express stop and stop whining since you have the $ to move where you want and gentrify the area. The rest of the poor souls that cannot afford to live near Manhattan don't have to suffer at your expense. Better yet, maybe you should take car service or chauffeur service to work since you people have no objection of paying ridiculous prices for rents, food, clothes and the finer things in life that the rest of us can ill afford.
Sept. 3, 2013, 1:08 am
Roy from Coney Island says:
I think this discussion of the return of the F express is getting too much a political and class war effect. The fact of the matter is that the F express run smoothly from the 70's til 1987. Yes, demographics for the neighborhoods of Bklyn have changed throughout the years but nonetheless it's about time this issue is addressed. All the other adjacent lines such as the Brighton Line have an express and local train (Q/B trains) and run over the Bridge and then express in Manhattan.
The Sea Beach Line and the West End Line (N/D trains) run express on the 4th Avenue Line and via the Manhattan Bridge and the D train runs express in Manhattan.
The 4th Avenue Local (R Line) runs local in all the boros but people can change at express stations for an express train.
The F train to this day is all local in the boros of Bklyn and Manhattan getting the short end of the stick.
In response for having more F trains on the line, that is merely impossible since the F trains run 26 trains per hour which is about 1 train every 2 minutes. This does not take into consideration that the F train is sharing the tracks with the G train in Bklyn as well as the M train on the 6th Ave Line and the E train in Queens.
The purpose of the F express would be to redistribute service on the local and express tracks as well as cutting the commuting times for people that live in the southern end of Bklyn. In addition Northern Bklyners will be able to transfer for an express train at an express stop or can even use the G train to transfer at Hoyt St and change on the other side of the platform for A/C uptown service.
I am quite sure that the MTA will evaluate service on the F line from time to time to tell whether any service adjustments are needed.
Feb. 2, 2014, 8:03 pm

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