The real F-ing mess starts next week

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Beginning next week, a subway ride to and from some parts of Brownstone Brooklyn will be a real F–ing pain.

Long-anticipated station closures and diversions to accommodate the rehabilitation of the crumbling Smith-Ninth Street station finally begin Jan. 10, with Queens-bound trains skipping that stop entirely until May 2011.

For service to and from the station, riders can use the G train, which will stop at a temporary platform on the elevated portion of the Coney Island-bound route.

The ongoing work along the so-called Culver Viaduct will also force the Queens-bound F to skip the Fort Hamilton Parkway and 15th Street-Prospect Park stations through May 2011, according to an advisory posted on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority website.

To access those stations, straphangers will be forced to travel past their stop and then double back using the F or G trains, which will stop on the express tracks at Seventh Avenue stations.

The entire project will cost $275 million and will conclude, mercifully, in 2012. More stations along the line will be affected in the future.

Transit spokeswoman Deirdre Parker said renovations are a necessary evil.

“The Culver Viaduct was constructed in 1933 and we really need to do these repairs, and replace steel and concrete,” she said. “We apologize for the inconvenience, but this is work that really needs to be done.”

In the short term — this weekend, Jan. 7–10 — there will be no F service between Jay Street and Stillwell Avenue. The train will be replaced by free shuttle buses.

That said, Mother Nature may grant a one-week reprieve: NYC Transit may cancel the weekend work if there is snow this weekend. At press time on Wednesday, the agency had not made a final decision.

Updated 5:22 pm, July 9, 2018: Includes new reference to snow.
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Reasonable discourse

F train rider from Windsor Terrace says:
How can it be necessary for the train to skip Fort Hamilton and 15th Street, when it can stop at 7th Avenue and Fourth Avenue? And how does this relate to the viaduct, which does not seem to be anywhere near Windsor Terrace?

And for that matter, why are there no signs up in 15th Street station? The clerk has no information about the changes. And in less than seven days, all Manhattan bound service at our station is suspended for five months.

And, of course, the fare is going up.
Jan. 4, 2011, 7:30 am
Mike says:
7th Ave has express platforms, so the train can stop on the express track. I'm not sure how it's able to stop at 4th Ave. Maybe a temporary platform or extra switches?
Jan. 4, 2011, 9:21 am
Mike says:
Yeah, that's it -- the MTA site about this says that uptown trains will stop at a temporary platform at 4th Ave.
Jan. 4, 2011, 9:25 am
Jimmy Windsor from WT says:
Higher fares, less service. awesome
Jan. 4, 2011, 11 am
maryann from Windsor Terrace says:
That's why they call it the "F" train
Jan. 4, 2011, 12:34 pm
sid from Boerum hill says:
4th ave has express stops as does Bergen street but that is on the downstairs platform that they closed 20 years ago.
There were am and pm express trains(one direction at a time) back then which made the ride to Coney Island much faster...
Jan. 4, 2011, 12:36 pm
Mike says:
Sid: 4th Ave does NOT have express platforms.
Jan. 4, 2011, 1:52 pm
Ray from south slope says:
AND most importantly, why the "F" do they need to do this in the dead of winter? with no warning? They have known full well for some time that this was to go into effect. Thet just didn't have the balls to tell commuters that as of January their fair was being raised while they would have no subway near them for 6 months. I just moved to 16th street and I'm so furious about this.
Jan. 4, 2011, 2:29 pm
Liz from Windsor Terrace says:
Not "F"air- can hardly wait for the next snowstorm
Jan. 4, 2011, 4:05 pm
Janet from Brooklyn says:
The bright side is I'll be able to lose a few pounds
Jan. 4, 2011, 4:07 pm
sam says:
Can someone say protest???
Jan. 4, 2011, 4:49 pm
Bill T from Park Slope says:
I know it has to be done, but the timing sucks and was just thinking about the local businesses will be affected both positively and negatively.

The foot traffic is about to change drastically.
Jan. 4, 2011, 8:08 pm
Bill from Windsor Terrace says:
Letter to Assemblymember Jim Brennan,


These subway service disruptions are terrible news for tens of thousands of people in your assembly district. As a member of the New York State Assembly Committee on Corporations, Authorities and Commissions you are OUR elected and paid advocate when it comes to the MTA. Why are we being slammed with this information now, 5 days before it takes effect? There is a serious lack of leadership on your part, we needed you to be on top of this issue and it seems like you are scrambling like the rest of us to figure out how to deal with it. As a registered Democrats we get you mailers, that would have been the perfect place to communicate these changes. Jim, I think I speak for the thousands who are effected by these closures when I say you have really let us down. There were alternates to a year of outrageous closures ie. off hours, weekends, and separate station work. In this case I can only think that 20 years in Albany has taken you off your "A game" and the voters who put you in office are the worse for it.
Jan. 5, 2011, 8:13 am
JP from Kensington says:
Please. Let's stop being such NIMBYs and deal with it for a couple months. We've got a 100 year old subway system that is open 24/7, its not easy to make major repairs without inconveniencing someone.

The MTA has talked about this project for years. I read about this phase a long time ago. But really, does it make a difference if they posted the signs 1, 2, or 3 weeks in advance? Starting Monday I'll get up earlier and walk to Church Avenue. Did I need an extra week to plan that walk?

Secondly, it is GOOD news when there is a big capital investment in my neighborhood, especially to existing infrastructure that I use daily. All over the country our rails, roads, bridges, schools, etc are falling apart. But in my neighborhood a lot of money is being spent to modernize it....hooray!
Jan. 5, 2011, 9:28 am

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