Why can’t this man dig in Prospect Park?

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The city has quietly expelled treasure-hunting hobbyists from Prospect Park — but the metal-detecting motley crew is fighting to get back inside to search for the riches buried there.

For 13 years, hundreds of detectorists, as they call themselves, could obtain permits to dig in places like Prospect and Van Cortlandt parks. The only requirement was that they refilled their divots.

But last May, city officials banned such treasure hunting after Prospect Park keepers allegedly observed and photographed one metalhead leaving craters — even after being confronted by groundskeepers.

“Our groundsperson found enormous divots,” said Tupper Thomas, president of the Prospect Park Alliance, an organization with split governmental and nonprofit roles. (The Alliance declined to provide the incriminating photographs, however.)

But the detectorists say banning them from Prospect Park is an attack on their rights to use public space.

“The Prospect Park administrator has looked upon the metal detecting hobbyist as unlawful and without ethics. This is simply not true!” Carter Pennington, a regular metal hunter, wrote to Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe last month.

“It is an unfortunate ‘knee-jerk’ reaction to ban all who enjoy the hobby of metal detecting from Prospect Park.”

Pennington said the city should not have abandoned the permitting system, which gave 357 individuals the right to scour designated parks (though not the supposed crown jewel of the emerald empire, Central Park).

Instead, the miscreant should have been issued a summons and lost his privileges to find spare change, dropped house keys and, sometimes, an artifact of actual value.

Treasure-hunting is not suited for the impatient or the delusional. Detectionists can walk hours without a blip or a bleep indicating that it’s time to start mining.

Hitting the jackpot for these guys means finding an Indian Head penny or a buffalo nickel. They also go nuts for military relics like bullets, buttons from uniforms and musket balls from the Revolutionary War-era Battle of Brooklyn.

Park boosters sympathized with both sides.

“The number one thing is that you don’t want the landscape destroyed,” said Geoffrey Croft, president of NYC Park Advocates. “But if it’s minimally invasive, it should be fine. It’s something many people enjoy doing.”

Most metal seekers might have a negligible impact, but Thomas suggested that she simply doesn’t have enough manpower to keep an eye on all the detectorists, as well as golfers and mountain bikers who sometimes run roughshod over the park.

“I don’t have a lot of enforcement,” she told The Brooklyn Paper. “If I had more park officers, we could just throw offenders out.”

The perceived snub from the city plays upon lingering insecurities among some members of the metal-hunting community, the ranks of which tend to be filled by older men, many of them retired, interested in history and looking to stay active, who feel their hobby is disrespected.

“It’s kind of unfair, but we’ve been treated this way for years,” said Bill, a digger who did not want to share his last name, though he posed for our photographer.

Updated 5:11 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

AM from Ditmas park says:
This is typical of this and other city administrators, they think that, as in this case, the park is thier property, not the PUBLIC'S ! Aren't they supposed to be "Public Servants" ?
Also why is an the entire group of citizens of this city being denyed thier right to use a public park because of the actions of one bad apple ?
Is this the tact of the Prospect Park Administration, to paint everyone with the same brush, sounds very discriminatory to me.
Feb. 5, 2009, 1:34 pm
Gary Storm from Upstate NY says:
I have had many hours of enjoyment hunting this park and now it is taken away because of someone leaving holes or there is some other background reason. I have dug many holes but if you tried to find where I dug afterwords you would not find them. I take pride that I leave the ground the way I found it. I also pick up and get rid of all trash. I have never bothered anyone but I have had dogs bother me and in one situation a man hassled me. The whole idea of the permit system is to protect the park. Get rid of the ones that break the rules. If there is not enough police to patrol the roads does everyone lose there drivers license. enforcement is a poor escuse to take our permits away.I think the permit for the park should be reinstated. I am being discriminated against. I have seen damage done by dogs, people playing sports, kids digging etc but I am the only one that can not enjoy his hobby. Thank you for letting me express my point of view.

Gary Storm
Feb. 5, 2009, 2:04 pm
Dwight from Kentucky says:
Yes it seems they want to throw out all detectorists because of one idiot. You don't see them eliminating welfare because of the rampant abuse of that system!
Feb. 5, 2009, 3:06 pm
Eddie Black from Louisville, Ky. says:
I am for persuing the rights and freedom for the persuit of happiness. Detectorists are very responsible individuals that are looking out for the good of the community as well as enjoying their hobby just like all other patrons of the "public" parks. Articles like this show how much athority a few have over the majority. Wonder what would happen if we were to direct the Parks spokesman to where he could be restricted in his hobbies if he would feel the same way then?
Feb. 5, 2009, 3:29 pm
Don F from Louisville, KY says:
This is a healthy safe hobby for young and old. No damage is done by responsible metal detecting. You are punishing the many for the actions of a few. Unfair and unjust!
Feb. 5, 2009, 4:11 pm
Harold S. Lowenfels from Toms River NJ says:
To punish the masses for the actions of one individual, is unlawful. I believe it is called discrimination. The irony here with the eviction of the detectorist from Prospect park is that the only detectorists that parks will be keeping out are the detectorists who willfully gave their names, addresses and driver's license numbers to the parks department to acquire their permits. These are the ones that play by the rules, make minimally invasive incisions to recover their targets,restore the ground to its original condition, remove all trash recovered and stay within the areas authorized on their permits. The ones that parks will fail to keep out by this edict are the rogue detectorists, who come in under cover of darkness, who work in the woods where they cannot be seen, dig with a shovel and do nothing to restore the ground to its predig condition.
Feb. 5, 2009, 4:13 pm
Frank Pandozzi from Central New York says:
My name is Frank Pandozzi. I am the Executive Producer of Exploring Historys Treasures TV series, a series that shows metal detecting being done in a proper way. I have been a treasure hunter for 30 years, and honestly, the only problems we have are from some State, City, and village officials across the country. For some reasons, these individuals use the same excuse over and over again. "We are concerned with the destruction of our property." Or, "We don't want people disrupting the landscape." Think about how absurd that reason is. "The destruction of property." Disrupting landscape." Hey folks, we aren't digging holes with earth moving equipment. I've seen squirrels and chipmunks dig holes that are worse than what we dig. Have you banned them from the parks? Why is it that all of the private property owners where we have received permission to detect have never made these statements? Could it be because they the private property owners don't have an agenda that is against us? It's time that people grow up. It's time that people come together in this situation as well as in all of our nations problems and work out our differences.
Feb. 5, 2009, 6:11 pm
Don Messore from NYC says:
It doesn't seem right that metal detecting should be discriminated in public parks. There are required permits to ensure accountability. soon you may need to leave your dogs home.
Feb. 5, 2009, 6:16 pm
dm from nyc says:
Don't our politicians have anything more important to do than to ban metal detecting at our public parks? It's ok to watch your dog dig a whole in the ground at Prospect park, or how about kids who play football in the fields with cleats on which can really cause damage to the grounds. I've seen park officers riding horseback on wet fields, leaving 3 inch holes from hoof prints. Should we ban them as well? We who metal detect are extremely sensitive when we dig and make sure we leave the ground in the same condition that we found it in.
signed .. pissed off in NYC
Feb. 5, 2009, 7:35 pm
Anthony W from Brooklyn says:
I don't understand why this group is not allowed to enjoy to practice their hobby. Isn't this the park that allows dogs to run free and dig as well. Do the dog owners cover up those area's. A few weeks ago I remember seeing two guys with golf clubs, you know hitting a few to get into shape for spring. They didn't replace thier divots. So what it up with this picture? What is good for dog owners and golfers then it is good for everyone.
Feb. 5, 2009, 7:52 pm
Patrick Faircloth from Hewitt, NJ says:
All we're asking for is equality and to be treated with the same consideration as the multitude of dog owners who let their animals run freely to dig, deficate and urinate at will, yet there is never any mention or warning to those abusers... it's always the poor sap with the portable "back-hoe" swinging the devastating metal detector and leaving the dangerous open pits and ravines in a pristine park that WE have voluntarily spent hours, days, and week-ends filling in holes left by dogs....and what thanks do we get? Only a slap in the face and a stern warning " Stay out of our park".
Feb. 5, 2009, 10:35 pm
Bobby Bostinto from Matamoras, PA says:
I too used to live in Brooklyn and metal detect. I still do , just not in NYC. What the Parks Dept and the general public dont understand is that detectorists actually help clean the park by removing metals such as lead (from sinkers),aluminum, and iron.

We have all assisted people in findling lost items and have cheerfully return these precious keepsakes to their rightful owners. We have been vilified and its hard to lose that stigma. Frankly we harbor no love for a detectorists who break the rules. In fact, I personally welcome the prosecution of those individuals to the fullest extent of law.

As Grandma used to say - "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch"

Bob B.
Feb. 5, 2009, 11:49 pm
AL from EAST TEXAS says:


Feb. 6, 2009, 12:54 am
chortling from NYC says:
AM from Ditmas park says: "This is typical of this and other city administrators, they think that, as in this case, the park is thier property, not the PUBLIC'S!"

Hello? Since when does "public" mean "anything you wanna do"? In NYC parks, I can't BBQ, rip up plants, dig holes, or let my dog poop, for pretty good reason: other people's enjoyment cost of fixing my damage.

dm from nyc says: "Don't our politicians have anything more important to do than to ban metal detecting at our public parks?"

I'm 100% sure that they can handle more than one task a year.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:16 am
Jim Cianelli from Cypress Hills says:
Bill is right. it is unfair the way we have been treated. This knucklehead that was digging craters and not filling in his holes should have been banned especially since he was photographed doing this unethical thing. But to ban the whole detecting society just isn't fair. As the article said, cyclist, golfers...will the parks dept. ban all those hobbyists? Pretty soon only the animals (which also do a bit of digging), will have use of the park.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:05 am
David Henkel from Bergen County says:
Sublimely bigoted reaction on the part of Prospect Park administrators...and the worst part, they don't even get it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:21 am
David Henkel from Bergen County says:
Sheer Biotry on the part of the Prospect Park administrators...and the worst part is that they just don't get it. SHAME ON YOU!!!
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:30 am
Fran L from New Jersey says:
I am a retiree. I have spent precious family time metal detecting with my two sons and my husband in Prospect park for about 30 years. I enjoy getting out in this beautiful park, taking in the sunshine and keeping fit. Metal detecting does all of the above for me. I am always mindful of leaving the park in better condition than I found it. I pick up bottlecaps, sometimes with glass shards protruding , pulltaps, nails and other trash. It is unfair to take this all away from me because of the actions of one mindless individual. Please reconsider your rash decision.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:15 am
Saul from CT says:
Public parks are what they should be....Public. Owned by the PEOPLE and not the government. This is a continuing trend of restrictions on our freedom!
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:28 am
Tony from CT says:
If I drive a car and break the law in the process, do you take away everyone's right to drive a car? This is basically what is happening with the total mis-understanding of the right to eliminate ALL law abiding hobbiests, based on the action's of one irresponsible individual.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:32 am
Carl Fismer from Florida says:
What a bunch of B.S. The person taking the pictures, and the person doing the digging were setting up the rest of us. It was done intentionally just to screw the good people. These lowlifes were schills for the bureaucrats. I have attended meetings where they plant people in the audience to push their anti treasure views. Usually the press in also involved. I attended a meeting here in Florida where 600 people were trying to stop an unjust law. 598 were aginst this, and two were for it. The next day the newspaper said the meeting was about 50% for and 50% aginst. It passed. You will never convince me it wasn't a set up, and so is this. Carl Fismer Tavernier, Florida
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:22 pm
chortling from NYC says:
David Henkel from Bergen County says: "Sublimely bigoted reaction ..."
Saul from CT says: "Public parks are what they should be....Public. Owned by the PEOPLE and not the government."
Tony from CT says: "If I drive a car and break the law in the process, do you take away everyone's right to drive a car?"

If you guys want to preserve detecting rights, you'll have to come up with rational arguments - which the above are NOT.
-- Bigotry = intolerance of indelible traits or belief, like race, religion or ethnicity. It's not "bigotry" if I don't like stamp-collectors, or if the city won't let me BBQ or do offroad biking in a park.
-- BECAUSE the parks are public-owned, we're ALL subject to regs to keep them in one piece. As noted: We can't BBQ, let our dogs poop, rip up plants, or dig holes in parks. We also can't build tree-houses, litter, plant veg gardens, do off-road cycling, hunt, cut lumber, have huge parties in them, or move turf and boulders.
If everyone could do their own thing, there'd be no parks left at all.
-- As for Tony's car-ban analogy: The city & state can regulate cars in any way that promotes safety or limits property damage - even though, for most people, cars are more "essential" than hobbies are. If something might be damaging, they can bar it ASAP; they don't have to wait until 99 people foul up and taxpayers are hit for repairs.

And, PS, it's illegal to drive across the turf in NYC parks, or to drive in them AT ALL, except (a) to reach a parking lot or (b) as a pass-through to city streets.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:33 pm
Parker from Brooklyn says:
I want to know why people in Ky, East Texas, Pa, Florida, CT and NJ should suddenly take interest in the N.Y.C. parks?

And why the N.Y.C. parks department should listen to folks who are _far_ from the metro N.Y. area, don't support the parks via taxes, don't _use_ N.Y.C. parks, and seem really unfamiliar w/big urban parks at all!
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:21 pm
Arthur Dias from Toronto, Ontario says:
My suggestion to everyone...recruit as many lawyers as we can into the hobby in hopes that one of them will take on the "public servants" and explore the legal avenues we have to inforce the lawfull enjoyment of our hobby.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:49 pm
Paul Hatten from New Jersey says:
For more than twenty years detecting in the New York City parks, I personally have painstakingly removed everything from under the ground including pull tabs, bottle caps, rusty modern bits, aluminum foil and all other junk which would otherwise most likely still remain underground for generations to come. Then I would fill my openings as if I was never there to start with. This is the price I do expect to pay for exercise, enjoyment and the occasional thrill of finding something I can cherish and learn from as part of this wonderful hobby. As my reward for the "tons" of trash removed from the city parks over the years, my reward is nothing more than a slap in the face from a blind sighted agency that can't tell when a good deed is performed from a bad one, even when the agency has control over detectorists via an established permit system. In other words, one bad apple [detectorist] should not include the entire lot. Wake up Parks Department! Your actions are unfair and unacceptable.
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:14 pm
Carter from Upstate NY says:
Chortling from NYC wrote:
If you guys want to preserve detecting rights, you'll have to come up with rational arguments......the parks are public-owned, we're ALL subject to regs to keep them in one piece.

Let's follow your logic: Like you said we are all subject to regulations and in this case, it is making sure the Parks remain in good condition. This applies to every person engaging in any activity from metal detecting to playing sports to running with their dogs…… Saying we as detectorists damage the park is simply not true. People who walk by as we are taking a plug out may look at us and say "what are they doing" but if they were to stay and watch instead of walking away in a huff, they would see we remove a clean plug, replace it where there is no damage in any way. On the other hand, I have personally witnessed dogs digging holes, soccer players chewing up the lawn with their cleats, kids on their bikes, etc.. All of which does immensely more damage to the lawns than we can ever do. All that we are saying is if NYC Parks ban us from enjoying our hobby on public use land for the reason of "potential damage" then it would be discriminatory not to apply the same rule to all that pose potential damage. A little common sense and understanding will allow all of us to enjoy OUR Prospect Park in harmony.
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:26 pm
Eddie Black from Louisville, Ky. says:
To Parker, From brooklyn: The reason I am interested in the New York Parks is that when traveling I would like to have the same priveleges there as in my home state. If by the stroke of a pen someone can take away my hobby without due process of law then "your" rights can be taken away without representation also. More people should get involved with "trivials" so more rights could be enjoyed. Remember take an inch gain a mile. Why should the powers to be take away something that is harmless because that one individual doesn't participate or practice that hobby. I am relunctant to visit in a state where I am restricted in my persuit of happiness. Let's ban together as it might effect you next time and I will be in your corner trying to support you in your fight for your hobby or interest. Your servant in Christ, Eddie Black
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:52 pm
Allan from NY City says:
(1) There *is* no legal issue, since there's no constitutional right to pursue a hobby in a park. Even if detecting were your religion, or a form of "free speech," the city could *still* set rules to protect the property.

(2) Even if you don't use a detector: the parks forbid possession of gardening & digging-type tools and disturbance of vegetation, which covers lots of ground (no pun intended). That law existed 'way before the anti-detector law.

(3) One problem is that parks police are *very* short-handed and city parks are *very* busy. It would be sheer heck if the cops had to argue with every bad-actor divot-maker re whether certain holes were legal or not. And if the city ignored it enough, taxpayers would have to pay for repairs *and* for big awards if someone twisted an ankle in an open or loosely-filled hole. (Which is likely, since NYers sue the city at a drop of a hat.)

For similar reasons - until relatively recently, offleash dogs were ttally banned from city parks. It was easier to ban them than to argue with each owner as to whether his-her dog was a nuisance, a threat, or was soiling or wrecking the landscape.
The city now allows offleash dogs in *some* parks, with limitations. Though dog-owners can be pretty emotional, and regard dogs as "family": When they sought that offleash OK, they *didn't* claim it was their "legal right" - since that's inaccurate and ridiculous.
Instead, they and animal agencies (a) showed why it would *benefit the city,* by curtailing dog aggression and stir-craziness, and (b) agreed to limits (certain areas of *some* parks, at very early/late hours), to limit nuisance/damage and promote accountability.

Unfortunately, that solution won't work with detecting, since I doubt that anyone would accept limited area/times.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:31 pm
Allan from NY City says:
Eddie Black said: "If by the stroke of a pen someone can take away my hobby without due process of law then "your" rights can be taken away without representation also."

Wrong. A hobby isn't a "right," and doesn't have the due-process protections that legal rights do.

In addition ... as noted above, even legal rights are subject to some housekeeping measures.
I have freedom of speech and religion, but I still can be sued for libel/slander, and can't push my religion so aggressively that it interferes with others' rights.
I also need a permit to hold a street parade, or a big rally or religious service in a public park -- because it affects the property and others' right to use it. And the city/park can deny the permit if, say I might damage a just-seeded park lawn, or create a security or traffic problem.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:54 pm
Don deForre says:
I have been metaldetecting for many years - I have returned many jewelry items back to the owners that lost them and so have many many of my fellow hobbyist. I always pick up my junk and always fill in any holes. I have pics of the piles of trash I have taken out of many parks and you would not believe how much we take out and clean up. I am registered with some police and fire depts. as well as town offices to give my assistance to them if they ever need it. Many of my fellow detectorists have done the same. This person they found damaging park grounds should have had his picture taken and personal info taken - given a servere warning for the first offense and a stiff fine if he did it again - probably confiscate his equipment.
Feb. 6, 2009, 4:46 pm
Anthony Conti from New Jersey says:
I enjoy this hobby. I always felt that public parks are there for all to enjoy. Using the permit system shows that I will work with the Parks dept and abide by their rules as well as the code of ethics that all metal detectorists follow. I can't wait to Metal Detect again in Prospect and Central Park soon.
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:32 pm
David Henkel from Bergen County says:
To Chortling from NY...

spare us your abreviated definition of BIGOTRY
you left out "an intolerant person especially in matters of religion, race, or politics (but not exclusively to these three)
source: Websters Dictionary
Your intolerance towards the detecting hobby is showing.
By the way this is political, non-the-lees, we are seeking fair and equal justice.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:17 pm
David Henkel from Bergen County says:
To parker from Brooklyn...

The feudal state ended hundreds of years ago. Broolyn is not separate from these 50 United States. Outsiders to NYC have the same privileges as New Yorkers (even including those few local intolerant ones). This park is in America and all public parks are for the public.

What don't YOU get?
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:26 pm
David Henkel from Begen County says:
For Allan from NYC...

The right that where fighting for is "Fair & Equal Treatment Under The Law"...detecting is just a hobby.

The shortage or lack there of police in any park or for that matter anywhere is irrelevant as to the publics legal use.

How come you just don't get it ?
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:34 pm
David Henkel from Bergen County NJ says:
For Chortling in NY...

Prospect Park detectorists where not "doing their own thing"...detecting in Prospect Park was Legal at the time and detectorists went through the governmental process of obtaining permits issued and authorized by the City of New York for this activity.

Please do your homework...a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:46 pm
Robert Peters from Earlville, Iowa says:
Banning all detectorists from your (our public) property because one bone-head didn't abide by the rules of responsible detectorists is like banning all cars from public highways because one guy was speeding and driving recklessly.
Please allow the 99.9% of responsible detectorists to enjoy their hobby on public property. Cite or jail the bone-heads that violate rules of normal behavior.
Thank You
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:32 pm
Hal from New Jersey says:
Allan from NYC said: dog owners and animal agencies have shown how the off leash program would "benefit the city". I find his explanation of the benefits to be far fetched (no pun intended). Just to be clear, I have no problem with the off leash program in Prospect park. I wish to enumerate the benefits to the park of metal detecting.
Detectorists remove hundreds of pounds of trash left by others, every year (Includes but not limited to bottlecaps,glass, nails,sharp metal,aluminumfoiland hypodermic needles.
Detectorists have returned to park patrons and their rightful owners, innumerable lost objects of value and have letters of thanks to document this.
Detectorists have actually improved security in the park, especially in remote areas just by their presence. They are an extra pair of eyes and ears and if they see wrongdoing, are just a cell phone call away from the parks police.
Feb. 8, 2009, 1:25 am
HL from NJ says:
In addition to the above,
Detectorists reduce soil erosion in the park because their target recoveries loosen the soil which improves water percolation and reduces soil compaction, the major cause of soil erosion.
Detectorists have donated recovered artifacts to the parks and the public along with a display case to showcase the donated artifacts. They are currently on display in Fort Greene park, Brooklyn.
Detectorists have formally offered their services to the parks dept. and to law enforcement free of charge. We have offered to locate buried manholes survey stakes, benchmarks,utilities,pipes,weapons and ammunition used at crime scenes,etc.
I think we have shown how we "benefit the city".
Feb. 8, 2009, 1:39 am
Hal from New Jersey says:
In addition to the above,
Detectorists by loosening the soil through their target recoveries reduce soil compaction thereby facilitating water percolation and reducing soil erosion.
Detectorists have donated recovered artifacts to the parks and the public along with a display case to showcase the artifacts. These donated artifacts have been viewed by many park patrons and school children.Display is currently housed in Fort Greene park.
Detectorists have formally offered their services to the parks dept. and law enforcement free of charge. We have offered to locate buried manholes, survey stakes,benchmarks, utilities,sprinkler heads,pipes,weapons and ammunition at crime scenes, etc.
I think we have shown how we "benefit the city".
Feb. 8, 2009, 1:51 am
Adam from BKLYN says:
call 311 before you dig!
Feb. 9, 2009, 10:26 am
frank cannas from putnam valley N.Y. says:
opening the parks to a healthy and safe activity for old folks, such as me can only make the parks department look good.
What the hell we are only recovering our own past.
Feb. 13, 2009, 6:09 pm
Joe Lambert from Prospect Park says:
Tupper Thomas has the parks in her hands, She is a Lobbyist (look on the web) trying to get monies for her special park projects. Thats why she has fought the Dog walkers, The Horse riders, and now the Detecting guys, hell you can not even cook out anymore. It seems Prospect Park Alliance is political bigotry at its best, the haves versus the have nots! But hey they can have concerts with thousands of people for days at a time tear up the grounds , fights galore and even a death or two but no one says anything. We need to have a public advocacy group investigate this person to her angle and motivations.
May 13, 2009, 1:33 am
John Q Public from Brooklyn says:
Tupper Thomas has the parks in her hands, She is a Lobbyist (look on the web) trying to get monies for her special park projects. Thats why she has fought the Dog walkers, The Horse riders, and now the Detecting guys, hell you can not even cook out anymore. It seems Prospect Park Alliance is political bigotry at its best, the haves versus the have nots! But hey they can have concerts with thousands of people for days at a time tear up the grounds , fights galore and even a death or two but no one says anything. We need to have a public advocacy group investigate this person to her angle and motivations.
May 13, 2009, 1:34 am
lenny from bronx says:
prospect park is not worth detecting
Jan. 7, 2010, 11:14 pm
Nelson Aviles from Booklyn N.Y says:
I have no problem with it" the problem is when these so call Archaeologist from the state comes alone with big digging machine and start digging big holes on the lands, oh its not a problem because they are working with the government. that's all Nonsense just trying to own everything in this country which is not their's.
Jan. 23, 2015, 9:50 am
william from greenwood says:
When you dig a hole in a field in Prospect Park and "tamp it down and replace the grass plug" it will still allow water from rainfall to seep in and compact the soil further as water produces silt which is more compacted. The hole will return. For years I thought "why don't the dog owners keep their pets from digging these holes?" Then I saw the actual culprit, a cranky, foul-mouthed old man who claims never to create any of these ankle-snappers. If you have even walked across the Nethermeade in the dark, you know what it's like to find your foot in one of these 12" deep pits. When you loosen soil and then replace it, the dirt, when replaced, doesn't quite refill the hole. I might have believed the ol' prospector if he was carrying around extra fill and some water to settle the earth properly. "my holes aren't like that" he said as he scraped the dirt off a penny. 200 yards away there was another hole, 12"x12" with no dirt. Ya wanna dig holes, fill 'em in with enough dirt. You want to do this in a public park, at least some of your time should be spent repairing the obvious damage done by you ilk.
April 19, 2015, 10:38 pm
Paul from Another State says:
This kind of thinking is a form of oppression and prejudice. If one person speeds, we do not take away the privilege, or I dare say the right, to drive for everyone else. The offending person is punished individually, and if park personnel confronted this person, then why did they not call the police on them, and get trespassing charges levied against them for violating the metal detecting agreement. Most metal detecting enthusiasts/hobbyists take this sport seriously. There are dozens of YouTube videos on how to properly dig and fill a hole. If one bad egg is not doing it, it is because he/she is there for the wrong reasons. You punish that person and make an example of them, you do not take away the rights of everyone else. The truth is that this person, who is never named or arrested or ticketed, does not exist. This is just an imaginary bad person that city officials are using nation- wide to close public parks to metal detector enthusiasts. The same story is told over and over again, and the person is never caught and brought to justice for violating laws. It is just an excuse to push a political agenda of control over citizens of the United States. Slowly taking away our rights, our freedom, and calling them privileges. One imaginary person disobeys the authorities in charge, and everyone has to lose their rights. It does not matter that generations have paid taxes for that land. That land belongs to the public, thus it belongs to the metal detecting enthusiast too. And proof of this is when you offer a compromise. Be allowed to use a metal detector, but no digging. You can still find the items on the surface and remove them with a probe without actually digging, but that is not acceptable either. No, the metal detector is being banned, not the shovel. This is not about damaging property, but about controlling people. When a hole is dug, it actually helps the grass grow. Atmospheric gasses get to the roots of grass when they are exposed to the air. Earthworms do this every night, which helps plants grow. There are even machines that put divots into the grown to cause this effect. The plug of grass is removed, and then the soil is removed until the target is found. Then the soil is returned followed by the plug. Everything is stomped down. An expert metal detecting enthusiast does not want to leave evidence behind that alerts other metal detector enthusiasts he just found something there. In a few days, the hole seals back, thus there is never any lasting damage. If it rains, the hole seals even faster. Squirrels digging in the park are the real culprits for divots, not metal detector enthusiasts. We need a National Federal Law that protects the rights of all metal detector enthusiasts to hunt public "common wealth" lands nation-wide. Like fishing, let us pay for a license. The revenue generated can pay for the police to take a quick peak. After all, what kind of public safety campaign is the city running, if the police never check the parks?
April 20, 2018, 7:46 am

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